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4 Sep 2014 23:00 |
Hi, I'm looking for my ancestor brother, John Phillips, born in 1790 at Stanton Suffolk. His parents were: Edward and Mary Phillips. John got a job as an apprentice farm labourer. He got married to Mary (unknown) at Botesdale Church Suffolk in 1821. They moved to Great Barton. In 1823 John South Phillips was born, but Mary died in 1825. Eventually John was a wealthy farmer. Did he get remarried again? What happened to John South? I will wait for your reply, regards Andrew.
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Mistycat
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5 Sep 2014 02:09 |
Hi Andrew
1851 Name: John Louth Philips Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary A C Phillips Gender: Male Where born: Gt Barton, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Great Barton Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Suffolk Registration district: Thingoe Sub-registration district: Rougham ED, institution, or vessel: 12b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 67 Piece: 1791 Folio: 663 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age John Louth Philips 25 Mary A C Phillips 25.....Hunston, Suffolk Agnes M D Phillips 11 Mo Maria E Heighon 26......Sister in Law, Hunston, Suffolk Henry Heighon 14....Brother in Law, Hunston, Suffolk John G Mayhew 38 Elizabeth Payne 40 Marie Channer 33 Harriot Ward 25 Elise Throner 26
England, Select Births and Christenings Name: John South Phillips Gender: Male Baptism Date: 11 Sep 1825 Baptism Place: Great Barton,Suffolk,England Father: John Phillips Mother: Mary FHL Film Number: 989539
Lots of info here......
Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900 about John South. Phillips Name: John South. Phillips College: TRINITY Entered: Michs. 1844 Died: Jul 1890 More Information: Adm. pens. (age 18) at TRINITY, Oct. 2, 1843. [Only] s. of John (and Mary Elizabeth, dau. of John South, of Huntingdon). B. [Sept. 1825], at [Great] Barton, Suffolk. School, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk. Matric. Michs. 1844; B.A. 1848; M.A. 1852. Of Great Barton, Suffolk. Capt., 13th Suffolk Rifle Volunteers. J.P. and D.L. for Suffolk. Married (1) 1849, Mary Anna Charlotte, dau. of John Henry Heigham, of Hunston Hall; (2) 1861, Eliza Caroline, dau. of the Rev. H. A. A. Oakes, R. of Nowton. Died July, 1890; buried at Great Barton. Father of John W. H. (1868) and Alexander R. S. (1885). (Bury Sch. Reg.; Walford, County Families.)
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Mary Elizabeth South Gender: Female Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1824 Marriage Place: All Saints, Huntingdon, Huntingdon, England Spouse: John Phillips FHL Film Number: 1040637 Reference ID: P. 43 Cn 128
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5 Sep 2014 02:21 |
And more.....
1861 England Census Name: John South Phillips.......Widow Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: 1826 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Great Barton, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Great Barton County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Thingoe Sub-registration district: Ixworth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 75 Piece: 1139 Folio: 106 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age John South Phillips 35 Agnes Maria Desburgh Phillips 11 John William Heigham Phillips 9 Moud Mary Gould Phillips 8 Fanny Heigham 26......Sister in Law.....Hunston Suffolk Harriette Heigham 26.......Sister in Law, Hunston,Suffolk Matilda Oppertunin 25 Susannah Salisbury 20 Maria Simkin 38 Eliza Cadle 20 Charles Pawsey 20
John is a...... Justice of the Peace, B A 1848 Trin Coll Cambridge, Occupier & Part Owner Of 544 Acres Employing 22 Men & 10 Boys
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5 Sep 2014 02:33 |
Re-married
1871 England Census Name: John South Phillips Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliza C Phillips Gender: Male Where born: Great Barton, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Great Barton County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Thingoe Sub-registration district: Ixworth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 2 Piece: 1726 Folio: 99 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age John South Phillips 45.....JP and Landowner Eliza C Phillips 35....Rougham, Suffolk John H Phillips 19....Undergraduate Trinity, Cambridge Maude M G Phillips 18 Elwin G W Phillips 9 Ethel M D Phillips 5 Alexander R S Phillips 3 Mabel C B Phillips 1 Ann Tuck 28 Lucy Morris 31 Susan Mortlock 29 Caroline E Cook 18 Elizabeth Hudson 19 Arthur Pollard 19
1881 England Census Name: John South Phillips Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Eliza C. Phillips Gender: Male Where born: Gt Barton, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Great Barton County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: The Lodge Marital Status: Married Occupation: Justice Of Peace & D.L.For Suffk M.A.Franity Coll Cambs Landowner & Farmer (O L Registration district: Thingoe Sub-registration district: Ixworth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1841 Folio: 11 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age John South Phillips 55 Eliza C. Phillips 45 Agnes N.D. Phillips 30 Maude M.G. Phillips 28 E.Geo.Wilson Phillips 18 Ethel M.D. Phillips 15 Alexander R.S. Phillips 13 Mabel C.O. Phillips 11 Adile L. Eplattenier 20 Emma Clarke 30 Sophia Last 24 Sarah E. Petch 24 Alice A. Goddard 17 All birth/marriages/deaths can be found at, its a free site
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Anyone without the name Philips or otherwise stated are servants
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5 Sep 2014 02:42 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: John Louth Phillips Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Registration Year: 1890 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 64 Registration district: Thingoe Parishes for this Registration District: Inferred County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 377
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about John South Phillips Name: John South Phillips Probate Date: 30 Sep 1890 Death Date: 3 Jul 1890 Death Place: Suffolk, England Registry: Bury St. Edmunds
Estate....£11,118,3s1d......with a will
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Edit.....All John's children born Great Barton
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5 Sep 2014 02:58 |
Could be related ?
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: John Philips Gender: Male Birth Date: 5 Nov 1788 Baptism Date: 23 Nov 1788 Baptism Place: Stanton all Saints, Suffolk, England Father: George Philips Mother: Frances Marsh Frances FHL Film Number: 887397
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Gritty
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5 Sep 2014 07:14 |
NOTE: These articles apply to John South Phillips, his wife and parents- this may not be your Phillips family- see my posts below
There are lots of articles written about this family, including an article that was published nationwide of a serious fire in 1844 on the farm of John Phillips destroying much stock (he was insured). Below are some family announcements which may be of interest-
Marriage of John Phillips as reported in Cambridge Chronicle and Journal 15 October 1824.
MARRIED: On Friday the 8th inst. at All Saints Church, Huntingdon (by the Rev. Dr. Maltby,) John Phillips Esq of Great Barton, Suffolk, to Mary Elizabeth, only child of John South Esq. of Huntingdon. -----------------------------------------------
Death of John Phillip's wife as reported in Hereford Journal 28 September 1825
DIED: Sept 19th, Mary Elizabeth, wife on Mr John Phillips, of Great Barton, Suffolk. ----------------------------------------------
Death of John Phillips as reported in the Bury and Norwich Post 04 April 1849.
DIED: On Friday last, the 30th ult., at Great Barton, John Phillips Esq., aged 59. -----------------------------------------------
First marriage of John South Phillips as reported in London Standard 07 July 1849.
MARRIAGES: In the 5th Inst. John South Phillips Esq. only son of the late John Phillips Esq. of Great Barton, Suffolk, to Mary Ann Charlotte second daughter of John Henry Heigham Esq, of Hunston Hall, in the same county. -----------------------------------------------
Death of John South's first wife as reported in the Bury and Norwich Post 8th February 1859.
DIED: On the 6th Inst. at Great Barton, Mary Ann Charlotte, wife of John South Phillips Esq. and daughter of John Henry Heigham, Esq. of Hunston Hall in this county. ------------------------------------------------
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Chris Ho :)
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5 Sep 2014 07:49 |
http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=3249&personid=6108&scrwidth=1600
(above has Parents)
Chris :)
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 (Ancestry) Name: John Phillips Gender: Male Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1781 Baptism Place: Stanton Parish, England Father: Edward Phillips Mother: Mary Phillips FHL Film Number: 887394 Reference ID: P 9
Name: Edw Phillips Gender: Male Baptism Date: 25 Nov 1779 Baptism Place: Stanton All Saints, Suffolk, England Father: Edw Phillips Mother: Mary FHL Film Number: 887393 England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 (Ancestry) Name: Mary Copsey Gender: Female Marriage Date: 20 Oct 1778 Marriage Place: Pakenham,Suffolk,England Spouse: Edward Phillips FHL Film Number: 952216
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5 Sep 2014 07:54 |
John Phillips burial 5th April 1849:
First name(s) JOHN Last name PHILLIPS Birth year 1790 Death year 1849 Age 59 Burial year 1849 Burial day 5 Burial month 4 Place GREAT BARTON Church description HOLY INNOCENTS Church denomination ANGLICAN County Suffolk Record set National Burial Index for England & Wales
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Gritty
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5 Sep 2014 08:06 |
The full will of John Phillips (1790-1849) is on Ancestry, it is quite difficult to read but if you're interested I can send you a copy:
England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills Name: John Phillips Probate Date: 2 May 1849 Residence: Great Barton, Suffolk, England
He appoints his son, John South Phillips, and his brother, Captain Robert F? Phillips of the Royal Artillery executors of his will. He mentions brothers Charles Henry Phillips and Henry George Phillips and brother-in law ?? James Gibson.
Edit: I believe his brother named executor is Captain Robert Fryer Phillips who died in 1856 aged 65- HOWEVER, his death reported in the paper lists him as the third son of JOHN Phillips Esq of Pall Mall London, (and not son of Edward as you listed- have we been searching the wrong family??)
OK- not sure the above records apply to your John Phillips as this is the Baptism for his brother, Robert:
Robert Fryer Phillips Baptism Date: 3 Oct 1790 Baptism Place: Great Barton, Suffolk, England Father: John Phillips<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother: Frances Phillips FHL Film Number: 989616
Who was your Ancestor (brother of John) that you mention in your post?
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Gritty
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5 Sep 2014 08:37 |
Now I'm confused: This John in 1851 was born in Stanton- a porter and widowed: Is this the John we're looking for?
John Phillips Age: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Stanton, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: All Hallows London Wall County/Island: Middlesex Registration district: London City Sub-registration district: London City North East ED, institution, or vessel: 8a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 148 Piece: 1532 Folio: 203 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age John Phillips 63
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5 Sep 2014 09:15 |
I think you might be following the wrong family Andrew:
The parents of John South Phillips were married in 1824 Huntingdon (as posted above by mistycat- however, you state your John and his wife Mary married in 1821- where did this information come from?
Do you have the birth year right for John Phillips? There's this one baptised in 1781 (as posted by Chris HO above)
Name: John Phillips Gender: Male Christening Date: 01 Jul 1781 Christening Place: Stanton Parish, England Father's Name: Edward Phillips Mother's Name: Mary Phillips
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Mistycat
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5 Sep 2014 23:00 |
A little push up, just in case Andrew is still waiting for reply's...and doesn't realize he will not be notified he has them...pm also sent.....
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