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meefy
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27 Aug 2014 20:39 |
I am trying to find out what happened to the youngest member of this line of my family. She was born in Trevethin, Monmouthshire in 1857 to William & Elizabeth.
I have her in the 1861 with parents and siblings, and also in 1871 (originally mis-transcribed as Elizabeth Prosen), due to parents deaths living in her brothers house with two other brothers, but that is where the trail runs cold.
I have no more information on her and was wondering whether anyone could suggest anything.
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patchem
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27 Aug 2014 20:58 |
Have you looked for marriages for her, and then looked for the married couple in the subsequent censuses?
Have you looked to see if she is in anyone's tree on here, and then made contact to see if they know what happened to her?
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MaureeninNY
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27 Aug 2014 21:36 |
Just a possibility: Monmouthshire Marriages Transcription Print individual transcription View image First name(s) ELIZABETH Last name(s) ROSSER Birth year - Marriage year 1876 Marriage day 11 Marriage month Sep Place LLANHILEDD Spouse's first name(s) THOMAS Spouse's last name GULIVER Bride's age Full Groom's age Full Bride's father first name(s) William Bride's father's last name Rosser Groom's father's first name(s) George Groom's father's last name Guliver Parish Llanhiledd County Monmouthshire Country Wales Record set Monmouthshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain ......... 1881 Wales Census about Thomas Guliver Name: Thomas Guliver [Thomas Gulliver] Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Son in Law Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Guliver Gender: Male Where born: Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Civil Parish: Trevethin County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: Below Garn Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Coal Miner Registration district: Pontypool Sub-registration district: Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5252 Folio: 131 Page Number: 30
Eliza Rodgers 46 Thomas Guliver 26 Elizabeth Guliver 24 Jane A. Guliver 3 John R. Guliver 1 Eliza Guliver Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5252; Folio: 131; Page: 30;
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Andrew
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27 Aug 2014 21:37 |
A possible
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GULIVER Thomas Pontypool 11a 179 Rosser Elizabeth Pontypool 11a 179
1881 Wales Census about Elizabeth Guliver
Name: Elizabeth Guliver [Elizabeth Gulliver] [Elizabeth Rodgers] Age:24 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1857 Relation:Daughter Spouse's Name:Thomas Guliver Mother's name:Eliza Rodgers Gender:Female Where born:Pontypool, Monmouth, Wales Civil Parish:Trevethin County/Island:Monmouthshire Country:Wales Street address:Below Garn Condition as to marriage: Married Education: View image Employment status:View image Registration district:Pontypool Sub-registration district:Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel:17 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:5252 Folio:131 Page Number:30 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Rodgers 46 Thomas Guliver 26 Elizabeth Guliver 24 Jane A. Guliver 3 John R. Guliver 1 Eliza Guliver
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Andrew
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27 Aug 2014 21:39 |
and another
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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ROSSER Elizabeth Pontypool 11a 185 Wheeler Alfred Pontypool 11a 185
1881 Wales Census about Elizabeth Wheeler
Name:Elizabeth Wheeler Age:24 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1857 Relation:Wife Spouse's Name:Alfred Wheeler Gender:Female Where born:Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Civil Parish:Trevethin County/Island:Monmouthshire Country:Wales Street address:8 High St Condition as to marriage:Married Education:View image Employment status:View image Registration district:Pontypool Sub-registration district:Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel:13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:5252 Folio:20 Page Number:11 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Wheeler 32 Elizabeth Wheeler 24
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MaureeninNY
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27 Aug 2014 21:40 |
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D Snap,Andy.
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Andrew
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27 Aug 2014 21:53 |
Back to the 1st marriage
1891 England Census about Elizabeth Gulliver
Name:Elizabeth Gulliver Age:32 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1859 Relation:Wife Spouse's Name:Thomas Gulliver Gender:Female Where born: South Wales, Pontypool, United Kingdom [South Wales, Bantypoole] Civil Parish:Aspull Ecclesiastical parish: Aspull Town:Aspull County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district:Wigan Sub-registration district:Aspull ED, institution, or vessel:5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:3047 Folio:114 Page Number:6 Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Gulliver 35 Elizabeth Gulliver 32 Eliza Gulliver 9 Mary Ann Gulliver 7 Thomas Gulliver 3
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MaureeninNY
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27 Aug 2014 21:58 |
The marriage to Alfred WHEELER gives Elizabeth ROSSER's fathers name as John so I think we can rule that one out.
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meefy
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27 Aug 2014 22:02 |
I don't think the Gulliver one is correct because Elizabeth's mother would have been much older in 1881. She was born circa 1815 and I have her down as dying in 1863 but strangely one of Elizabeth's brothers did move to Aspull in the late 1870's.
The Wheeler one looks more convincing, so perhaps I shall try and investigate this further. I'm not sure how I can prove this though because the marriage certificate should I order it will just confirm the fathers name as William and its not a rare name I think.
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meefy
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27 Aug 2014 22:03 |
Ok scrap that idea. Started typing before MaureeninNY posted.
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MaureeninNY
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27 Aug 2014 22:08 |
That's Thomas' mother in 1881-not Elizabeth's.
If you can hang on for a while someone may be able to help with the marriage cert. It's on FMPast but my clunky old computer doesn't want to open the image.
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Andrew
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27 Aug 2014 22:08 |
I think this is Thomas in 1901, a wdow with children living with daughter Jane.
1901 England Census about Thomas Gulliver
Name:Thomas Gulliver Age:46 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1855 Relation to Head:Father-in-law Gender:Male Birth Place:Garndiffith Raith, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish:Golborne Ecclesiastical parish:Golborne St Thomas County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district:Leigh Sub-registration district:Lowton ED, institution, or vessel:4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:3587 Folio:92 Page Number:19 Household schedule number:109 Household Members: Name Age
John T Finch 24 Jane A Finch 24 Gladys M Finch 1 Thomas Gulliver 46 Eliza Gulliver 20 Mary A Gulliver 18 Thomas Gulliver 13 Elizabeth Gulliver 10 James Ashton 27
This might death for Elizabeth
Deaths Jun 1896 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gulliver Elizabeth 37 Leigh 8c 145
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meefy
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27 Aug 2014 22:22 |
I'm still at the moment ruling out the Gulliver one, because of Eliza's age, surname being Rodgers and the fact I have her dying in the 1860's.
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MaureeninNY
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27 Aug 2014 22:25 |
Sorry-once again-That's Thomas's mother!!!
Just noticed that Jacob Rosser and family are at 22 Chapel St Aspull in 1891 and the Gulivers are at 16 Chapel St.
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27 Aug 2014 22:30 |
1871 Wales Census about Thomas Gulliver Name: Thomas Gulliver Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Step Son Mother's name: Eliagan(sic) Rodgers Gender: Male Where born: Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Trevethin Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan Town: Garndiffaith County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Registration district: Pontypool Sub-registration district: Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 86 Piece: 5334 Folio: 80 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age John Rodgers 60 Eliagan Rodgers 36 Thomas Gulliver 16
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Andrew
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27 Aug 2014 22:33 |
Could this be the parents in 1881?
Elizabeth born 1816?
1871 Wales Census about Elizabeth Rosser
Name:Elizabeth Rosser Age:55 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816 Relation:Wife Spouse's Name:William Rosser Gender:Female Where born:Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish:Trevethin Ecclesiastical parish:Abersychan County/Island:Monmouthshire Country:Wales Registration district:Pontypool Sub-registration district:Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel:22 Household schedule number:187 Piece:5335 Folio:20 Page Number:35 Household Members: Name Age
William Rosser 46 Elizabeth Rosser 55 Emma Smallcomb 24 Elizabeth Smallcomb 6 Emma Smallcomb 6 George Smallcomb 2
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meefy
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27 Aug 2014 22:44 |
I have both parents dying before 1871, so I don't think that is them. William dies in 1868 and Elizabeth in 1863, hence the younger members of the family have moved in with an older brother (James) in 1871.
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