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Elizabeth Rosser c1857

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meefy

meefy Report 27 Aug 2014 22:44

I have both parents dying before 1871, so I don't think that is them.
William dies in 1868 and Elizabeth in 1863, hence the younger members of the family have moved in with an older brother (James) in 1871.

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Aug 2014 22:33

Could this be the parents in 1881?

Elizabeth born 1816?


1871 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Rosser

Name:Elizabeth Rosser
Age:55
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:William Rosser
Gender:Female
Where born:Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish:Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish:Abersychan
County/Island:Monmouthshire
Country:Wales
Registration district:Pontypool
Sub-registration district:Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel:22
Household schedule number:187
Piece:5335
Folio:20
Page Number:35
Household Members:
Name
Age

William Rosser 46
Elizabeth Rosser 55
Emma Smallcomb 24
Elizabeth Smallcomb 6
Emma Smallcomb 6
George Smallcomb 2

Andy


MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Aug 2014 22:30

1871 Wales Census about Thomas Gulliver
Name: Thomas Gulliver
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Step Son
Mother's name: Eliagan(sic) Rodgers
Gender: Male
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan
Town: Garndiffaith
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 86
Piece: 5334
Folio: 80
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rodgers 60
Eliagan Rodgers 36
Thomas Gulliver 16

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Aug 2014 22:25

Sorry-once again-That's Thomas's mother!!!

Just noticed that Jacob Rosser and family are at 22 Chapel St Aspull in 1891 and the Gulivers are at 16 Chapel St.


Maureen

meefy

meefy Report 27 Aug 2014 22:22

I'm still at the moment ruling out the Gulliver one, because of Eliza's age, surname being Rodgers and the fact I have her dying in the 1860's.

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Aug 2014 22:08

I think this is Thomas in 1901, a wdow with children living with daughter Jane.


1901 England Census
about Thomas Gulliver

Name:Thomas Gulliver
Age:46
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1855
Relation to Head:Father-in-law
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Garndiffith Raith, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish:Golborne
Ecclesiastical parish:Golborne St Thomas
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district:Leigh
Sub-registration district:Lowton
ED, institution, or vessel:4
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:3587
Folio:92
Page Number:19
Household schedule number:109
Household Members:
Name
Age

John T Finch 24
Jane A Finch 24
Gladys M Finch 1
Thomas Gulliver 46
Eliza Gulliver 20
Mary A Gulliver 18
Thomas Gulliver 13
Elizabeth Gulliver 10
James Ashton 27


This might death for Elizabeth


Deaths Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Gulliver Elizabeth 37 Leigh 8c 145

Andy

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Aug 2014 22:08

That's Thomas' mother in 1881-not Elizabeth's.

If you can hang on for a while someone may be able to help with the marriage cert. It's on FMPast but my clunky old computer doesn't want to open the image.

Maureen

meefy

meefy Report 27 Aug 2014 22:03

Ok scrap that idea. Started typing before MaureeninNY posted.

meefy

meefy Report 27 Aug 2014 22:02

I don't think the Gulliver one is correct because Elizabeth's mother would have been much older in 1881. She was born circa 1815 and I have her down as dying in 1863 but strangely one of Elizabeth's brothers did move to Aspull in the late 1870's.

The Wheeler one looks more convincing, so perhaps I shall try and investigate this further. I'm not sure how I can prove this though because the marriage certificate should I order it will just confirm the fathers name as William and its not a rare name I think.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Aug 2014 21:58

The marriage to Alfred WHEELER gives Elizabeth ROSSER's fathers name as John so I think we can rule that one out.

Maureen

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Aug 2014 21:53

Back to the 1st marriage


1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Gulliver

Name:Elizabeth Gulliver
Age:32
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1859
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:Thomas Gulliver
Gender:Female
Where born:
South Wales, Pontypool, United Kingdom
[South Wales, Bantypoole]
Civil Parish:Aspull
Ecclesiastical parish:
Aspull
Town:Aspull
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district:Wigan
Sub-registration district:Aspull
ED, institution, or vessel:5
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:3047
Folio:114
Page Number:6
Household Members:
Name
Age

Thomas Gulliver 35
Elizabeth Gulliver 32
Eliza Gulliver 9
Mary Ann Gulliver 7
Thomas Gulliver 3


Andy

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Aug 2014 21:40

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Snap,Andy.

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Aug 2014 21:39

and another

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
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ROSSER Elizabeth Pontypool 11a 185
Wheeler Alfred Pontypool 11a 185



1881 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Wheeler

Name:Elizabeth Wheeler
Age:24
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1857
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:Alfred Wheeler
Gender:Female
Where born:Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish:Trevethin
County/Island:Monmouthshire
Country:Wales
Street address:8 High St
Condition as to marriage:Married
Education:View image
Employment status:View image
Registration district:Pontypool
Sub-registration district:Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel:13
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:5252
Folio:20
Page Number:11
Household Members:
Name
Age
Alfred Wheeler 32
Elizabeth Wheeler 24


Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Aug 2014 21:37

A possible

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
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GULIVER Thomas Pontypool 11a 179
Rosser Elizabeth Pontypool 11a 179


1881 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Guliver




Name:
Elizabeth Guliver
[Elizabeth Gulliver]
[Elizabeth Rodgers]
Age:24
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1857
Relation:Daughter
Spouse's Name:Thomas Guliver
Mother's name:Eliza Rodgers
Gender:Female
Where born:Pontypool, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish:Trevethin
County/Island:Monmouthshire
Country:Wales
Street address:Below Garn
Condition as to marriage:
Married
Education:
View image
Employment status:View image
Registration district:Pontypool
Sub-registration district:Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel:17
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:5252
Folio:131
Page Number:30
Household Members:
Name
Age
Eliza Rodgers 46
Thomas Guliver 26
Elizabeth Guliver 24
Jane A. Guliver 3
John R. Guliver 1
Eliza Guliver


Andy

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Aug 2014 21:36

Just a possibility:
Monmouthshire Marriages Transcription
Print individual transcription View image
First name(s) ELIZABETH
Last name(s) ROSSER
Birth year -
Marriage year 1876
Marriage day 11
Marriage month Sep
Place LLANHILEDD
Spouse's first name(s) THOMAS
Spouse's last name GULIVER
Bride's age Full
Groom's age Full
Bride's father first name(s) William
Bride's father's last name Rosser
Groom's father's first name(s) George
Groom's father's last name Guliver
Parish Llanhiledd
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Record set Monmouthshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
.........
1881 Wales Census about Thomas Guliver
Name: Thomas Guliver
[Thomas Gulliver]
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son in Law
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Guliver
Gender: Male
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Below Garn
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5252
Folio: 131
Page Number: 30

Eliza Rodgers 46
Thomas Guliver 26
Elizabeth Guliver 24
Jane A. Guliver 3
John R. Guliver 1
Eliza Guliver
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5252; Folio: 131; Page: 30;

patchem

patchem Report 27 Aug 2014 20:58

Have you looked for marriages for her, and then looked for the married couple in the subsequent censuses?

Have you looked to see if she is in anyone's tree on here, and then made contact to see if they know what happened to her?

meefy

meefy Report 27 Aug 2014 20:39

I am trying to find out what happened to the youngest member of this line of my family. She was born in Trevethin, Monmouthshire in 1857 to William & Elizabeth.

I have her in the 1861 with parents and siblings, and also in 1871 (originally mis-transcribed as Elizabeth Prosen), due to parents deaths living in her brothers house with two other brothers, but that is where the trail runs cold.

I have no more information on her and was wondering whether anyone could suggest anything.