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Ian Andrew Baillie born scotland 1915-1935
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Patrick | Report | 10 Aug 2014 12:45 |
I know little of this close relative appart from his name he was born and i believe married in scotland but sired an illegitimate son in the midlands in 1951 and quickly returned to scotland. I would guess that his wife and family were not aware of the illegitimate child. |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 10 Aug 2014 14:51 |
That's not much to go on, Patrick! I doubt if we'll be able to help. |
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Patrick | Report | 10 Aug 2014 15:27 |
Thank you for replying. My dates were approx and I know virtually nothing of the man. and no-one who met him is alive! he apparently told people he was from scotland and did not hang around after the birth of a son. He said he was married and paid the mother to name the child the same as him Ian Andrew Baillie. He apparently briefly reaapeared after his wife died and proposed to the mother who rejected. He went away and was not heard of again. A rather sad story. I can not tie him up with any english records and do not have enough info to narrow him down to the point that certificates would help. I probably need a descendant of ian baillie with suspicians to put two and two together. Would you mind giving me the 3 death details please? |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 10 Aug 2014 15:33 |
The deaths as requested: |
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PollyPoppet | Report | 10 Aug 2014 15:35 |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 10 Aug 2014 15:45 |
Have you tried "Search All Trees" ? |
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Patrick | Report | 10 Aug 2014 15:53 |
yes I know the child born Wednesbury 11 April 1951 vol 9B P1102 UNfortunately I dont know the age of father so my birth range 1915 to 1935 is estimate . It could be before 1915 which could mean a possible marriage before 1930. |
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MargaretM | Report | 10 Aug 2014 15:59 |
So he was registered in both parents' names: |
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Flip | Report | 10 Aug 2014 16:13 |
I guess the father attended the birth registration for it to be in his name as well as the mothers - did the certificate give any further information on him? |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 10 Aug 2014 16:48 |
Extending the search for a marriage for Ian Andrew Baillie, back to 1900, there's still none per SP. |
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Patrick | Report | 10 Aug 2014 16:59 |
Hi Margee and Flip I am a bit confused by this Does it mean the child was named Ian A Martin as well as Ian A Baillie . Does it just mean that both parents present? how would it be different if only one parent present who just named the other parent.? Cheers Patrick |
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Flip | Report | 10 Aug 2014 17:11 |
Patrick, if you look on freebmd you'll see the birth was registered under both surnames. And yes, for the father to be named he needed to present I believe - although I seem to remember somewhere in the back of my mind he could have provided his approval to be named on his child's birth but not sure about this. |
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Patrick | Report | 10 Aug 2014 17:13 |
Thanks for looking for marriage again ArgyllGran It could mean that he was even more of a cad than i thought before ! How complete are the SP records? cheers P :-) |
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Flip | Report | 10 Aug 2014 17:14 |
If I were you Patrick I'd order the birth certificate - maybe Andrew was not Ian's name, maybe that's what his mother wanted to call the child. Also there are variations on the spelling Ian, so check it out. |
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Flip | Report | 10 Aug 2014 17:21 |
How reliable is your information please, it's just people fabricate or expand on stories as time goes by. Not always on purpose, but maybe they have thought it so many times they really believe it. |
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MargaretM | Report | 10 Aug 2014 17:30 |
I did check the originals of the 2 birth registrations in the hope that there might be a note attached explaining the situation. There was nothing. |
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Patrick | Report | 10 Aug 2014 18:09 |
Hi Margee Thanks for this I am still a bit confused . Apparently The child Ian does not have a full birth certificate. I understand the a birth cerytificate only has space for one informant . Therefore if there were two informants does that mean that there would be two birth certificates? cheers Patrick :-) |
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Flip | Report | 10 Aug 2014 18:13 |
Patrick, it sounds like he has the "short" certificate rather than the full one. It can be ordered from GRO using the details Margee has already posted - costs £9.25. |
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Patrick | Report | 10 Aug 2014 19:00 |
Flip thanks for this. i will suggest ian gets full certificate but unless it states different father details I dont think it will help with original query of finding father who might have already been married and run back to Scotland. thanks Patrick :-) |
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rootgatherer | Report | 10 Aug 2014 20:56 |
Sometimes, in Scotland Ian (sometimes spelt Iain) and John are interchangeable. My nephew named Ian was named for his father John but given Ian to avoid a wee John and big John scenario. |
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