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:-D :-D


well, it was 1967 when I was an Alien :-)

;-) :-S <3 :-P
Dunno...they just call me Mo.

:-)


so they don't call you a Resident Alien now?



sylvia
who was a Permanent Resident Alien

Jean,

http://www.stevemorse.org/

helps with the Ellis Island incoming...

Maureen
a permanent resident

Had another look at the image on Ancestry - yes, it does indeed say "ruddy" and not "muddy"
I beg poor Gertrude's pardon!

Thank you all very much for your input,
I have just registered on ellisisland site , so will trawl through it to see if any of my other ancestors pop up, thanks once again

it's late here, so I'm off to bed!

Enjoy your day :-)

:-D :-D

Martian :-D

I quite enjoyed being called a Resident Alien :-)

ah I see, you were talking about actual 'enemy aliens' ... but 'aliens' are not automatically 'enemies'

http://www.ellisisland.org/genealogy/ellis_island_timeline.asp

1917 - When the U.S. entered the war in Europe, Ellis Island was used to detain crews from German merchant ships anchored in New York Harbor. >> Suspected enemy aliens throughout America were rounded up and brought to Ellis Island.

1938-1945 - After the U.S. entered the war in December 1941, Ellis Island served primarily as a detention center for alien enemies, those considered to be inadmissible and others.


just for info: :-)

https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tEnumInstr.shtml
https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1900.shtml
enumerator instructions for US censuses
(and similar questions up to 1940)

150. The question of immigration (columns 16 and 17) applies to all foreign-born persons, male and female, of whatever age. If does not apply to persons born in the United States.

151. Column 18. Naturalization.-If the persons is a native of the United States, leave the column blank. >> If he was born abroad, and has taken no steps toward becoming an American citizen, write "Al" (for alien). If he has declared his intention to become an American citizen and taken out his "first" papers, write "Pa" (for papers). If he has become a full citizen by taking out second or final papers of naturalization, write "Na" (for naturalized).

JC ................ look at the Ellis Island Timeline ........


....... they actually use the phrase "alien enemies" during the period from 1940 to about 1947


which is why I said what I said.


I myself was a Resident Alien in the US in the mid-1960s :-)



they are now called Green Cards

Sylvia ... an alien is just a non-citizen :-)

in US census up to 1930 I think it was, people who are legally resident in the US but not naturalized as citizens are described as aliens

all the talk these days of 'illegal aliens' on their southern border derives from that now archaic use of the word ... nobody uses it in everyday parlance except in that disparaging phrase but it is still the word used in legislation in the US for foreign nationals (who would ever say 'legal alien'?!)

Always look on the Ellis Island site for immigrants post -1892 to about 1940

During WW2 and until about 1952, Ellis island was used to detain "aliens" ...... ie, enemies



http://www.ellisisland.org/


you have to register, but it is free

You can view the manifest on the site that Chris has posted above. Her mother was Mrs Elizabeth Muir, Duntreath, Glasgow Rd, Wishaw.
The Gibsons are all sisters whose aunt stayed at 86 Forrest St. Clarkston and Marion is a friend.

ArgylleGran, Gertrude is described as having a 'ruddy complexion' which is a bit better than 'muddy' thank goodness!
:-D :-D

ArgylleGran ,

thank you so much for all this information, much appreciated,

regards

jean

Surname mistranscribed on Ancestry:


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Marion Kerr Milo
Name: Marion Kerr Milo
Arrival Date: 8 Jan 1921
Birth Date: abt 1897
Birth Location: Scotland
Birth Location Other: coatbridge
Age: 24
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Columbia

She's travelling with Elizabeth Gibson (22, servant, last address Pelham, USA), Roseanna Gibson (21, nursemaid, last address Pelham, USA) , and Gertrude Gibson (20, domestic servant, last address Coatbridge).
NOK given for all of them is an aunt, Mrs Margaret Mills, Forrest Street (I can't read the house number), Clarkston, by Airdrie.
Their destination is West Hoboken, New Jersey.
All paid their own passages.
All going to: aunt, Mrs Victoria Smith, 303 Hague Street, West Hoboken.
All intending to stay permanently.

Elizabeth: fair complexion, fair hair, blue eyes.
Roseanna: pale complexion, brown hair, hazel eyes.
Gertrude: muddy complexion (poor girl!), dark brown hair, brown eyes.
Marion: fresh complexion, brown hair, grey eyes.

safc and Chris ,

Thanks very much for the look up ,
I was hoping it might have said who she would be travelling with or going to stay with, but I don't know if they would show that on a passenger list .

First Name: Marion Kerr
Last Name: Muir
Ethnicity: Great Britain, Scottish
Last Place of Residence: Coatbridge, Scotland
Date of Arrival: Jan 08, 1921
Age at Arrival: 24y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Columbia
Port of Departure: Glasgow
Manifest Line Number: 0020

(Arrival)

http://www.ellisisland.org/

Chris :)

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
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First name(s) MARION K
Last name MUIR
Title MISS
Gender Female
Age 23
Birth year 1897
Occupation SALESWOMAN
Departure year 1920
Departure day 29
Departure month 12
Departure port GLASGOW
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name COLUMBIA
Ship official number 115682
Ship master's first name DAVID WM
Ship master's last name BONE
Shipping line ANCHOR
City GLASGOW
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 10815
Ship registered tonnage 4222
Number of passengers 801
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
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