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Seems a lot of Honey's about . and illegitimate children lol.

Many Thanks.

Its a very strong link with the information i had passed to me by family. The honeys are distant family and Jesse's Demise at Limehouse fits nicely with what I knew.

Derek

Jesse Jnr. was already born:

1871:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jesse Honey Head - Male 24 1847 - Kent
Elizabeth May Mistress - Female 20 1851 - Kent
Jesse May Son - Male 0 1871 - Kent
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First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name May
Relationship Mistress
Marital condition -
Gender Female
Age 20
Birth year 1851
Birth town -
Birth county Kent
House number -
House name -
Street Bomb Alley
Parish Maidstone
City or borough Maidstone
Town -
Village -
County Kent
Country England
Municipal ward High Street
Parliamentary borough Maidstone
Ecclesiastical District -
Registration district Maidstone
Enumeration district 3
Series RG10
Piece number 940
Folio number 44
Page 12
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
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Also living with them was - Jane Honey, a charwoman aged 23, (unmarried) and her 1 year old daughter Jane.

Dea x

Dea, ref your earlier observation from 1871 census. Jesse Senior was living with Elizabeth May (Mistress) ;-) She must have been pregnant .She gave birth to Jesse Junior in 1871. On 10th Jan 1873 Jesse Senior drowned from the barge "union" in Limehouse London. By 14/7/1878 she married Robert Wilson and he adopted Jesse Junior as his own son. They had a further 7 children together one being my Grandmother.

Derek

Notes shows him as Jesse James May in 1881 census. Later Jesse May-Honey step son of Robert Wilson, In 1891 census he lives with a John Smith at Gillingham Kent as Barge Mate aged 20. 1896 he marries Eliza Wenham .1901 census has i daughter Rose 1 month and now a stone quarryman. 1911 census shows him as a widower aged 40 and Bargeman / mate lodging with sister Elizabeth Palmer. Son Jesse James Honey born 1905 we believe was fostered after death of mother. Sister Rose age 10 was living with my grandmother Caroline (Kesiah) nee Wilson b1886 and Grandfather Frederick R Parker b1885.

My mother remembered meeting Rose at my Grandmothers house in 1945.
Jesse died in 1929 aged 58.

So the circle is closing.

Derek

I just checked my notes I was wrong Robert Wilson and Elizabeth May married 14/7/1878 at St Faiths Church Maidstone, i also found from independant info from my family passed on records, that Jesse Honey's father died in 1873 - Perfect im sure I have a link..

Must have been sad for Jesse and Elizabeth to lose a father and partner then a step father and husband both to drowning from Barges. Must have been a very real occupational hazard.

Derek

Thank you all, some intigueing things about Jesse Honey that will need some investigation. It is an unusual name and linking in the barge information makes it look as if my Jesse b1871 was part of the same family. Was Elizabeth May - Jesse Honey's mother, common law wife or partner to Jesse Senior or did she revert to her maiden name before marrying Robert Wilson. It is likely the newspaper article 10/1/1873 relates to my Jesse Honey's biological father Jesse senior as Elizabeth was widowed prior to meeting and marrying Robert Wilson in Dec 1874. It is very likely that the barge folk would know and be friends with each other. It would be great to confirm all these links.

Derek

Baptism Sutton Valance

Eliza Ann Waghorn Dec 28th 1856 to John and Mary Ann Waghorn - Labourer

Mavis

Yes - It probably means that he was part of a large family rather than he was the father of many children. I suppose, that's what you immediately think when there is also a 'widow' involved.

Dea x

On the 1871 census there are lots of Honey's living at Windmill Row- perhaps his parents

Thanks Helen - I was looking in the newspapers but hadn't found anything.. - That is certainly the correct death.

It is VERY interesting as I am sure that he didn't marry Elizabeth and even if he did, they appear to have had only one child ???

SO who and where is this 'widow' and 'large' family I wonder ??

Dea x

Sorry, this isn't immediatley related (and you may already have the information) but interestingly, there is an article dated 10th Jan 1873 about a Jesse Honey:-

Dover Express 10 January 1873
MAIDSTONE
At an early hour on Friday morning, Jesse Honey, residing in Windmill Row, Maidstone, Captain of the barge Union, accidentally fell overboard in Limehouse reach, and was drowned before assistance could reach him. notwithstanding that every effort was made to rescue him. The deceased has left a widow and a large family.

The marriage cert will confirm the father's details -

This is the reference you will need to order it:

Marriages Dec 1874
**Parker Stephen Maidstone 2a 975
**WAGHORN Eliza Maidstone 2a 975

Wooding Susannah Luck Maidstone 2a 975
Woolmer George Maidstone 2a 975

Dea x

yes.Many Thanks Dea,

I had that record but as yet cant confirm it was she.

Derek

Well, she looks to be this one:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Millgate Park, Bearsted, Maidstone, Kent, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Waghorn Head Married Male 32 1829 Gamekeeper West Farleigh, Kent
Mary A Waghorn Wife Married Female 28 1833 Gamekeeper Wife Maidstone, Kent
Sarah A Waghorn Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Sutton Valence, Kent
Charles Waghorn Son - Male 5 1856 - Sutton Valence, Kent
Eliza A Waghorn Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Sutton Valence, Kent
John Waghorn Son - Male 3 1858 - Maidstone, Kent
Susanna Waghorn Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Bearsted, Kent
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First name(s) Eliza A
Last name Waghorn
Relationship Daughter
Marital condition -
Gender Female
Age 4
Birth year 1857
Occupation -
Birth town Sutton Valence
Birth county Kent
Street Millgate Park
Parish Bearsted
City or borough -
County Kent
Country England
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough -
Registration district Maidstone
Enumeration district 4
Piece number 499
Folio number 55
Page number 25
Family member last name WAGHORN
Family member first name(s) CHARLES, SUSANNA, JOHN, ELIZA, SARAH, MARY
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BUT - you would really need a copy of her marriage cert to confirm her father's name and occupation.

Dea x

That's better - I thought I was going doolally there :-D

Elizabeth May and Jesse Honey never married - on 1871 census she was listed as his 'Mistress' ;-) under her own name and both marked as unmarried.

I will take a look for Eliza Waghorn...............

Dea x

very sorry getting confused. Yes Robert Wilson married Elizabeth May on 14/7/1878 she was a widow and had son Jesse Honey b1871 - Robert took Jesse on as his own son, but jesse kept surname Honey. Robert had several children and had a daughter later Caroline my grandmother ( who called herself Kesiah).

My side the Parkers- Great grandfather Stephen Parker b1849 married Eliza A Waghorn b1857 it is she I am having difficulty with. She was born in Town Sutton (Sutton Valence) Maidstone

Sorry - I have lost you there on Eliza Waghorn

Are you saying that Jesse Honey (the father of the 10 year old boy on the 1881 census) married Eliza??

I believed that the 10 year old Jesse there was the son of Jesse Honey and 'your' Elizabeth (then Elizabeth May), and it looks as though he (the father) died not long after.??

Dea x :-S

Also Jesse Honey, A daliance outside and before marriage to Eliza Waghorn was a bargee too. I am finding difficulty tracing exact parentage of Eliza A Waghorn she was born in Town Sutton (Sutton Valence) Maidstone but Waghorns seem prolific locally and she may have been listed as Elizabeth. Funnily enough Robert seniors barge was Elizabeth which he fell off and drowned.

Yes Dea.

Caroline my gran renamed herself Kesiah for some unknown reason and Robert Junior was a barge master too.

Many Thanks Derek

Is this him on 1891 (for reference)?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
32 Water Lane, Maidstone, Kent, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Wilson Head Married Male 46 1845 General Labourer Suffolk
Elizabeth Wilson Wife Married Female 43 1848 - Kent
Robert Wilson Son - Male 14 1877 Scholar Kent
Thomas Wilson Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Kent
Elizabeth Wilson Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Kent
Alfred Wilson Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Kent
Caroline Wilson Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Kent
Edward Wilson Son - Male 2 1889 - Kent
Wilson - - Female 1 month 1891 - Kent
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First name(s) Robert
Last name Wilson
Relationship Head
Marital condition Married
Gender Male
Age 46
Birth year 1845
Occupation General Labourer
Birth town - Holbrook
Birth county Suffolk
House name -
Street Water Lane
Parish Maidstone
Town Maidstone
City Maidstone
County Kent
Country England
Municipal ward King Street
Parliamentary borough Maidstone
Ecclesiastical district All Saints
Registration district Maidstone
Enumeration district 5
Series RG12
Piece number 689
Folio number 78
Page 10
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
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NB - In 1881 he had a birth date of 1850 and was Captain of a Barge )no name given for the Barge) :

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Havock Place, Maidstone, Kent, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Wilson Head Married Male 31 1850 Captain Of Barge Holbrook, Suffolk
Elizabeth Wilson Wife Married Female 28 1853 Wife Of Captain Of Barge Maidstone, Kent
Jesse James Paul Honey May Wilson Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Maidstone, Kent
Robert John May Wilson Son Single Male 4 1877 - Maidstone, Kent
Thomas Wilson Son Single Male 2 1879 - Maidstone, Kent
Elizabeth Eliza Wilson Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Maidstone, Kent
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First name(s) Robert
Last name Wilson
Relationship Head
Marital condition Married
Gender Male
Age 31
Birth year 1850
Occupation Captain Of Barge
Birth town Holbrook
Birth county Suffolk
House number 2
House name -
Street Havock Place
Parish Maidstone
Town -
County Kent
Country England
Registration district Maidstone
Series RG11
Piece number 927
Folio 29
Page 23
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
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Dea x