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I can't look at this any more without help, I'm totally confused. I've been looking at the Oliver family and it seems that the male in each generation was called Harry or Henry Huggard Oliver. I have HHO (born 1896) married to Margaret Willard then to Anna ?? (from Yugoslavia or Germany). His parents were HHO (born 1871) married to Isabella Emma Fairbourne. His parents were HHO (born abt 1844) married to Hannah Bell then Sarah A. V. Shaw and on the ref I saw on familysearch for this marriage it said his parents were HHO and Catherine. I found another reference for HHO married to Catherine Hagyard. We're talking Guelph, Ontario, for all this.

I am now finding references to Henry Huggard Oliver Stull on family search. In the list of children to HHO and Isabella Fairbourne there is an Annie Georgina Oliver born 25 Mar 1899. On familysearch I found an Annie Georgina Stull born 6 Jan 1899 and died 25 Mar 1899. There's an Annie Cullen Stull born 1841 with parents shown as Henry Oliver and Catherine Hagyard. Then there's an Alfred Cullen Stull born 1812 to parents Henry Huggard Oliver Stull and Catherine Eliza Stull.

In the 1871 Census of Canada there is an Elizabeth Oliver (W) and her son Henry Oliver (age 11), born Guelph, Ontario, living with a family and the transcription says it's Shitl but I guess it could easily be Stull.

I've gone round and round on this, my head's spinning, and I can't make head nor tail of it. I need HELP.

Thanks.

Sorry, the date for Alfred Cullen Stull in my post above should be 1912 not 1812.

Hi Yvonne

I'm confused with your post. Take a deep breath and let us know what you need to find, in a logical chronological order

Here is the Alfred you mention......


Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913

Name:Alfred Cullen Stull

Date of Birth:27 Sep 1912

Gender:Male

Birth County or District:Wellington

Father's Name:
Henry Huggard Oliver Stull

Mother's name:
Catharine Eliza Stull

Archive Name:Archives of Ontario

Archive Series:MS929

Archive Reel:231

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1921 Census of Canada

Name:Alfred C Stull

Gender:Male

Marital Status:Single

Age:8

Birth Year:abt 1913

Birth Place:Ontario

Relation to Head of House:Son

Father's Name:Henry H O Stull

Father Birth Place:Ontario

Mother Birth Place:Ontario

Racial or Tribal Origin:Dutch

Province or Territory:Ontario

District:Wellington South

District Number:140

Sub-District:Guelph (City)

Sub-District Number:25

City, Town or Village:Guelph

Street or Township:421 Woolwich

Municipality:St Johns Ward

Occupation:Student


Household Members:


Henry H O Stull 52 <<Widower
Alfred C Stull 8
Laura M Stull 14
Catharine Stull 6
Ray Snyder 25
Freda Snyder 21
Harry Snyder 9/12
Dorothy Snyder 9/12
Clara Evers 31

Yvonne, when you're looking on FamilySearch are you looking at actual extracted records or user submitted content? If the latter then I would disregard.

Is Huggard a corruption of Heygard?

Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928

Name: Henry Heygard Oliver
Birth Place: Canada
Residence: Guelph
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Father Name: Henry Heygard
Mother Name: Catherine
Spouse Name: Hannah Bell
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1848
Spouse Birth Place: England
Spouse Residence: Guelph
Spouse Father Name: Matthew
Spouse Mother Name: Isabella
Marriage Date: 22 May 1867
Marriage Location: Guelph
Marriage County or District: Wellington

Don't wish to confuse anything further, but this might be connected:

Michigan Death Records

Name: Mae I Stull
Birth: 22 July 1872
Birth place: Ontario
Death Date: 7 Aug 1920
Death Place: Peninsula, Grand Traverse, Michigan, USA
Age: 48
Father's Name: Henry H Oliver
Father's birth place: Ontario
Husband: Fred Stull

Original cert can be viewed here: http://cdm16317.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p129401coll7/id/904670

Edit: This is the death cert of May Isabel Oliver- daughter of Henry H Oliver and Hannah Bell. She married Frederick Henry Stull in 1905 Wellington

Name: Henry H O Stull
Death Date: 5 Jan 1898
Death County or District: Wellington
Death State: Ontario
Death Country: Canada
Age: 0, aged 5 months
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Birth Location: Guelph, Ontario


Name: Henry H O Stull
Date of Birth: 7 Aug 1897
Gender: Male
Birth County or District: Wellington
Father's Name: Henry H O Stull
Mother's name: Catherine Eliza Stull
Archive Name: Archives of Ontario
Archive Series: MS929
Archive Reel: 140


1911

Name: H O Stull
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 42
Birth Date: August
Birthplace: Ontario
Relation to Head of House: Son
Spouse's Name: Kathleen Stull
Father's Name: G W Stull
Tribal: Canadian
Province: Ontario
District: Wellington South
District Number: 134
Sub-District: Guelph
Sub-District Number: 31
Place of Habitation: 2 Wakinsson
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mrs G W Stull 68
H O Stull 42
Kathleen Stull 30
Fredrica Stull 11
Laura L Stull 4


Name: Catherine Eliza Stull
Death Date: 19 Aug 1914
Death County or District: Wellington
Death State: Ontario
Death Country: Canada
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Birth Location: Guelph, Ontario

Name: Frederick William Stull
Birth Place: Glen Williams
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Father Name: George Wm Stull
Mother Name: Annie Cullen Oliver Stull <<<<<<
Spouse Name: Nellie Shultz
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1876
Spouse Birth Place: Rockwood
Spouse Father Name: David Shultz
Spouse Mother Name: Ellen Grieve
Marriage Date: 27 Dec 1899
Marriage County or District: Wellington


Name: Anne Cullen Oliver
Birth Place: Canada
Residence: Guelph
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Father Name: Henry Haggard
Mother Name: Catharine
Spouse Name: George McStubb
Spouse's Age: 30
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1834
Spouse Birth Place: Canada
Spouse Residence: Esquesing
Spouse Father Name: William
Spouse Mother Name: Julia Anne
Marriage Date: 16 Nov 1864
Marriage Location: Guelph
Marriage County or District: Wellington


So looks like the Stull side comes from Annie Cullen Oliver, sister of Henry Huggard Oliver who married Hannah Bell?

1901

Name: Annie C Stull
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 60
Birth Day & Month: 20 Dec
Birth Year: 1840
Birthplace: Ontario
Relation to Head of House: Head
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Church Of England
Province: Ontario
District: Wellington (south/sud)
District Number: 126
Sub-District: Guelph (City/Cité)
Sub-District Number: E-3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie C Stull 60
Fredrick W Stull 34
Henney H Stull 32
Fredia Conelius Stull 1
Annie C Stull 8month
Hellen Stull 26
Katherina L Stull 24
Jennie M Stull 24
Mary Stull 26

1871

Name: Fredrick W Stull
Gender: Male
Age: 5
Birth Year: abt 1866
Birth Place: Ontario
Religion: Presbyterian
Origin: German
Province: Ontario
District: Wellington North
District Number: 35
Division: 03
Subdistrict: Maryborough
Subdistrict Number: a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
G W Stull 34
Annie C Stull 28
Fredrick W Stull 5
Henry H C Stull 4

"So looks like the Stull side comes from Annie Cullen Oliver, sister of Henry Huggard Oliver who married Hannah Bell?" Nice work Rootgather- certainly looks to be the case.

I can see why Yvonne was getting confused!! Annie Cullen Stull (nee Oliver) had a daughter Annie Georgina Stull, who was born 1899 and died 25th March 1899. Henry H Oliver (son of Henry and Hannah/ Annie Cullen's Nephew) and his wife Isabella also had a daughter born 25th March 1899 which they named Annie Georgina Oliver- I've confused myself just writing this :)

Edit: Wrong info above!! Annie Georgina Stull that was born in 1899 and died 25th March 1899 was the daughter of HHO Stull and Catherine E Stull

Name: George Wm Stull
Death Date: 7 Feb 1899
Death County or District: Wellington
Death State: Ontario
Death Country: Canada
Age: 61
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Birth Location: Georgetown, Ontario

Helen, there seems to be gaps in the BMDs.

Now the marriage I posted for Annie Cullen Oliver gives her spouse as George McStubb. There is no image to look at but I wonder if his name has been mistranscibed and should read G W Stull?

Think there will be more confusion further back as I think this is possibly first cousins marrying!

Name: Catharine Oliver
Birth Place: Guelph
Residence: Guelph
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Father Name: Henry Oliver
Mother Name: Catharine Oliver
Spouse Name: Henry Oliver
Spouse's Age: 22
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1844
Spouse Birth Place: Guelph
Spouse Residence: Garafraxa Township
Spouse Father Name: Robert Oliver
Spouse Mother Name: Christiana Oliver
Marriage Date: 5 Nov 1866
Marriage County or District: Wellington

Good morning ... I think. Wow, you guys have been busy. At first glance I'm even more confused. I'll have to go through all this info. In answer to your question Gins about what I'm trying to find. I guess I'm trying to find how Stull comes into the picture and how it fits into my tree. Huggard is an unusual name and it seems to have been passed down the generations.
Thanks so much ... will get back soon.

Yvonne- I think it'll be easier to sort when you have it on a tree.
Rootgather- I think you're right the McStubb name is most likely mistranscibed as this is the details of their son Frederick's marriage:

(Wellington Co) Frederick William STULL, 34, dealer in produce, Glenwilliam, Guelph son of George William STULL and Annie Cullen OLIVER married Nellie SHULTZ, 23, Rockwood, same daughter of David SHULTZ and Ellen GRIEVE, witness – David SHULTZ and Maggie SHULTZ, December 27, 1899, Rockwood

The birth that you mention Helen, looks like the mother wasn't Annie Cullen Stull



Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913


Name:Annie Georgina Stull

Date of Birth:6 Jan 1899

Gender:Female

Birth County or District:Wellington

Father's Name:H H O Stull

Mother's name:Catherine E Stull

Archive Name:Archives of Ontario

Archive Series:MS929

Archive Reel:148

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Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947

Name:Annie Georgina Stull

Death Date:24 Mar 1899

Death County or District:Wellington

Death State:Ontario

Death Country:Canada

Age:0

Gender:Female

Estimated birth year:abt 1899

Birth Location:Guelph, Ontario

Cause of death: Pyaemia

Well spotted Gins!! I knew I was getting confused as I was writing it- think I'll stay out of this one :D thanks for the correction

Death of Catherine Eliza gives name of informant as H.H.O. Stull and name of her father as Alfred Ernest but no surname unless Ernest is a surname.

Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947
about Catherine Eliza Stull Name: Catherine Eliza Stull
Death Date: 19 Aug 1914
Death County or District: Wellington
Death State: Ontario
Death Country: Canada
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Birth Location: Guelph, Ontario

I found a Henry Stull * Catherine Eliza Stull earlier today

This looks like her birth


Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913


Name:Catharine Eliza Stull

Date of Birth:24 Nov 1876

Gender:Female

Birth County or District:Lincoln

Father's Name:
Alfred Stull

Mother's name:
Sarah Fuller

Archive Name:Archives of Ontario

Archive Series:MS929

Archive Reel:29

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Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928


Name:Elizabeth C. Stull

Spouse Name:Henry H. O. Stull

Marriage Date:2 Sep 1896

Marriage Location:Homer

Registration Number:54916

1891 Census of Canada

Name:Katharine Stull

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Single

Age:14

Birth Year:abt 1877

Birthplace:Ontario

Relation to Head of House:Daughter

Religion:Church of England

French Canadian:No

Father's Name:Albert E Stull

Father's Birth Place:Ontario

Mother's name:Sarah Stull

Mother's Birth Place:Ontario

Province:Ontario

District Number:88

District:Lincoln and Niagara

Subdistrict:Grantham

Household Members:


Albert E Stull 37
Sarah Stull 39
Katharine Stull 14
Florence Stull 10
John Stull 2
Thomas Fuller 72