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Death of Ruth's first husband:

JONES, JOHN. Trimmer, 4471TS.
Royal Naval Reserve, H.M. Trawler “Etoile Polaire.”
Died 3 December 1915. Aged 25.
Husband of Ruth Ollerenshaw (formerly Jones) of 91, North Road, Carnforth, Lancashire.
Commemorated on the Plymouth
Naval Memorial. Panel 8

Just being nosey Margaret, but please come back to this thread and let us know if you do manage to find the graves.

Kath. x

This could be George's death:-

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name OLLERENSHAW
Gender Male
Birth day 21
Birth month 9
Birth year 1922
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1995
District LANCASTER
District number 5871A
Register number A53B
Entry number 099
Date of registration mm/yy 0595
County Lancashire
Country England

It would be strange if Muriel didn't know about this child since he lived into his 70's and died in Lancaster.

Kath. x

Does Muriel know there was a 3rd child????????????


Births Dec 1922 (>99%)
Ollerenshaw George Wilcock Lancaster 8e 938


Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Ollerenshaw Joan Wilcock Lancaster 8e 937


Births Dec 1926 (>99%)
Ollerenshaw Muriel Wilcock Lancaster 8e 896



I can't see a death for George ????????????

your welcome will keep an eye on this post and will help in any way I can
PP :-)

Thanks again Pollypoppet, I'll pass all this on though I'm going to try and make some sort of tree out of this lot before I go see Muriel tomorrow

Regards
Margaret


Thanks to you all for your time and patience and thanks from Muriel too. xx

same family in 1901


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census



Household Information

Street STOCKPORT ROAD FLETCHER STREET
Parish DENTON
Town DENTON
City
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District ST MARY THE VIRGIN
Enumeration District 12
Municipal Ward EAST
Parliamentary Borough GORTON SOUTH EAST
Registration District ASHTON UNDER LYNE
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Collections from Great Britain

Person 1

First Name WILLIAM
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1863
Age 38
Birth Town GLOSSOP
Birth County DERBYSHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household HEAD
Gender Male
Occupation COLLIERY MANAGER COAL
Condition MARRIED
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

Person 2

First Name ALICE A
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1863
Age 38
Birth Town DUKINFIELD
Birth County CHESHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household WIFE
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition MARRIED
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

Person 3

First Name LEMUEL
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1884
Age 17
Birth Town DUKINFIELD
Birth County CHESHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Occupation HORSE DRIVER IN COLLIERY
Condition SINGLE
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

Person 4

First Name ANNIE
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1887
Age 14
Birth Town DUKINFIELD
Birth County CHESHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition SINGLE
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

Person 5

First Name EDITH
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1889
Age 12
Birth Town DUKINFIELD
Birth County CHESHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition SINGLE
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

Person 6

First Name MENE
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1891
Age 10
Birth Town ASHTON
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

Person 7

First Name WILLIAM
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1893
Age 8
Birth Town ASHTON
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

Person 8

First Name FRANK
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1895
Age 6
Birth Town ASHTON
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

Person 9

First Name HAROLD
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1897
Age 4
Birth Town ASHTON
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

Person 10

First Name FRED
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1900
Age 1
Birth Town DENTON
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 109
Page 28
Piece Number 3791

I agree with you both didn't seem right there is this one seems bit better


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census



Household Information

Address 22 FLETCHER ST STOCKPORT ROAD DENTON LANCASHIRE
Parish DENTON
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 10
Registration District ASHTON UNDER LYNE
Registration District Number 468
SubDistrict Number 5
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from Great Britain

Person 1

First Name WILLIAM
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1864
Age 47
Where Born GLOSSOP DERBYSHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household HEAD
Gender Male
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation COLLIERY MANAGER
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 24395

Person 2

First Name ALICE ANN
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1864
Age 47
Where Born DUKINFIELD CHESHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household WIFE
Gender Female
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage 1887
Years Of Marriage 24
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 24395

Person 3

First Name WILLIAM
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1892
Age 19
Where Born ASHTON U LYNE LANCS
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation COLLIERY WORKMAN BELOW GROUND
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 24395

Person 4

First Name ANNIE
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1886
Age 25
Where Born DUKINFIELD CHESHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 24395

Person 5

First Name MENE
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1891
Age 20
Where Born ASHTON U LYNE LANCS
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 24395

Person 6

First Name FRANK
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1895
Age 16
Where Born ASHTON U LYNE LANCS
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation BAKERS ASSISTANT
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 24395

Person 7

First Name HAROLD
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1897
Age 14
Where Born ASHTON U LYNE LANCS
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation PRINTERS APPRENTICE
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 24395

Person 8

First Name FRED
Last Name OLLERENSHAW
Birth Year 1901
Age 10
Where Born DENTON LANCS
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation AT SCHOOL
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 24395

I hope you manage to find the grave for Muriel. I don't know what the staff are like at the cemetery in Carnforth, but here in the north-east the staff at our local cemeteries are really helpful and will look up burials for you without cost if you have an approximate date of death. They will also then mark the grave on a cemetery map for you so you can either find it yourself or they will take you to the grave themselves.

I have nothing but praise for our local cemetery workers - especially at Hartlepool's Stranton Grange Cemetery Office.

Hope you find the same in Lancashire for Muriel's sake.

Kath. x

Hiya Pollypoppet,

Thanks for taking the trouble to search, but not sure that these are correct, I don't recall Birmingham being mentioned, but I'll ask Muriel tomorrow before I rule any out. Are you saying that these are the parents to William George.

I've just checked some of the info and I think the Wm I'm looking for is born 1892 not 1889 as you've shown.

PollyPoppet

I don't think the census for William G. Ollerenshaw you posted is the correct one as it doesn't match with the date of birth given on the death record. The only birth that matches the death record is the one Patchem posted earlier - in Stockport, not Birmingham.

Kath. x

OMG Kath, and I got the calculator out to work it out aswell. Trust me. She must 88 this year then, her birthdays in October

Don't upset Muriel by mentioning it but she's actually 87 now, not 86, lol.

Kath. x

Possibly Ruth's parent's marriage (right time according to 1911 census):-

Year Of Marriage 1880
First name(s) JAMES
Last name WILCOCK
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1880
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JAMES WILCOCK married one of these people
MARY WHORNBY, ****ALICE WILKINSON****
Spouse's last name -
District LANCASTER
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 883

Kath. x

The 1911 census for Ruth's parents say they had had 17 children. 14 still living in 1911 and 3 had died.

They were living at 1 Grosvenor Place Carnforth.

Kath. x

thanks Kath x

Looks like Ruth was from a large family. This seems to be her with parents and siblings in the 1901 census:-


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

James Wilcock Head Married Male 41 1860 Railway Guard Highfirld, Lancashire
Alice Wilcock Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Galgate, Lancashire
Margaret Ann Wilcock Daughter Single Female 20 1881 - Warton, Lancashire
William Wilcock Son Single Male 18 1883 Railway Engine Cleaner Warton, Lancashire
Elizabeth Alice Wilcock Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Nether Kellett, Lancashire
Jennet Dunderdale Wilcock Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Carnforth, Lancashire
Emily Wilcock Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Carnforth, Lancashire
Ruth Wilcock Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Carnforth, Lancashire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Nora Wilcock Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Carnforth, Lancashire
Rose Wilcock Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Carnforth, Lancashire
Constance May Wilcock Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Carnforth, Lancashire
Violet Wilcock Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Carnforth, Lancashire
Daisy Wilcock Grand Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - London

Address:- 11 Grosvenor Place, Carnforth

Kath. x

This seems to be Muriel's mother in the 1911 census before her marriage:-

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Francis Anothony Milner Head Married Male 52 1859 Newspaper Proprieter And Publisher Lancaster Lancaster
Agnes Milner Wife Married Female 46 1865 - Cork Cork
William Milner Uncle Widower Male 72 1839 Newspaper Proprieter And Publisher Lancaster Lancaster
Marjorie Whitehead Visitor Single Female 18 1893 - Westmorland Appleby
Ruth Wilcock Servant Single Female 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Lancaster Carnforth<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Address 8 Middle Street, Lancaster.

Kath. x

Thankyou all for your help, I'm going to try and follow these up tomorrow with Muriel and I'll do a hand drawn tree for her son Tony to start from. Thanks again

This looks like the step-sister's birth:-

First name(s) MARGARET
Last name JONES
Birth year 1915
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name WILCOCK
District LANCASTER
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 1239

Kath. x