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David
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27 Jul 2014 23:00 |
Dear Friends
I've been trying to find information relating my 2x great uncle. I've tracked him in the 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 census information but wondered if anybody could possibly help me finding out what happened to him in later years. I would like to find out when Frank and also his wife Ellen died.
Frank Sutton was born c.1861 in Wiltshire and migrated northwards with his parents and siblings to Lincolnshire and by 1911 I've found he was living 110 Winter Hey Lane Horwich, Horwich, Lancashire and was a Fruiterer.
He was married to Ellen and as far as we know he had 6 children. I would dearly like to find out more about him and his family and if his children ever married. I've tried to search for more information on the family but so far with no success.
Frank and Ellen's children's names and births were as follows:-
Ellen b.1889 Emily b.1891 Lily b.1897 Frank b.1899 May b.1906 Frederick b.1908
It would be wonderful to find that I may well have Sutton families in Lancashire as nobody ever told me about this line in my family until I personally started trying to track them down.
Thank you in anticipation of any help there might be in my search for a lost family.
Kind regards David
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GlitterBaby
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27 Jul 2014 23:06 |
Did any of the children have middle names to help with search for possible marriages?
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patchem
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27 Jul 2014 23:18 |
Have you looked to see if any of them are in people's trees on here?
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AnnCardiff
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27 Jul 2014 23:23 |
is this him?
Name: Frank Sutton Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Male Age: 11 Relationship to Head of Household: Son Birthplace: Gutterham, Wiltshire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Amesbury Sub-District: Winterbourne Parish: Winterbourne Gunner County: Wiltshire Household Role Gender Age Birthplace Thomas Sutton Self M 34 Gutterham, Wiltshire Susan Sutton Wife F 44 George Telbury, Gloucestershire Richard Sutton Son M 16 Gutterham, Wiltshire Fred J Sutton Son M 14 Gutterham, Wiltshire Lucy A Sutton Daughter F 13 Gutterham, Wiltshire Emily Sutton Daughter F 12 Gutterham, Wiltshire Frank Sutton Son M 11 Gutterham, Wiltshire Rowland T Sutton Son M 7 Gutterham, Wiltshire
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patchem
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27 Jul 2014 23:32 |
It would be useful if you have found his birth information, and when was he married?
Thank-you
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AnnCardiff
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27 Jul 2014 23:35 |
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Name: Jane E Sutton Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Age: 8 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Bolton Sub-District: Horwich Ecclesiastical Parish: Horwich St Catherines Civil Parish: Horwich District/Parish/County: Lancashire
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AnnCardiff
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27 Jul 2014 23:36 |
Name: Lily Sutton Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Age: 4 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Bolton Sub-District: Horwich Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity Horwich Civil Parish: Horwich District/Parish/County: Lancashire
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AnnCardiff
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27 Jul 2014 23:36 |
Name: Frank Sutton Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Age: 2 Relationship to Head of Household: Son Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Bolton Sub-District: Horwich Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity Horwich Civil Parish: Horwich District/Parish/County: Lancashire
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AnnCardiff
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27 Jul 2014 23:37 |
Name: May Sutton Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Female Age: 5 Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Bolton Sub-District: Horwich Parish: Horwich County: Lancashire
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patchem
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27 Jul 2014 23:38 |
Do you think this is his birth?
Births Sep 1860 SUTTON Frank Malmesbury 5a 31
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AnnCardiff
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27 Jul 2014 23:38 |
Name: Master Frederick Sutton Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Male Age: 3 Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Bolton Sub-District: Horwich Parish: Horwich County: Lancashire
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SylviaInCanada
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28 Jul 2014 05:05 |
for our information
1911 Census
Frank Sutton 49 b.ca 1862, Wilts Snells (???) Ellen Sutton 44 b.ca 1867, Bary St Edmunds, Suffolk, Assisting in the Business <<<<; should be Bury St Edmunds Ellen Sutton 22 b.ca 1889, Grantham, Lancashire, Dressmaker Emily Sutton 20 b.ca 1891, Grantham, At Home Lily Sutton 14 b.ca 1897, Horwich, Lancashire, At Home Mother's Help Master Frank Sutton 12 b.ca 1899, Horwich, School May Sutton 5 b.ca 1906, Horwich, At Home Master Frederick Sutton 3 b.ca 1908, Horwich, At Home
from image:-
Married 24 years 8 children born, 2 died, 6 still living
NOTE:-
Grantham, Lancashire should be Grantham, LINCOLNSHIRE
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SylviaInCanada
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28 Jul 2014 05:17 |
In 1891, Frank wa a Boiler Maker's Labourer, living in Somerby, Grantham, Lincolnshire
They had 3 children, the eldest being Lucy T (or S), b. ca 1888
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Deaths Jun 1895 (>99%) Sutton Lucy Susannah 7 Bolton 8c 231
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SylviaInCanada
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28 Jul 2014 05:27 |
AnnC's posting of Jane E Sutton is a red herring ............................ she is living in Horwich but is NOT a child of Frank and Ellen
Jane Ellen Sutton is child of Thomas and Margaret Sutton
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SylviaInCanada
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28 Jul 2014 05:30 |
possible marriage for Frank Sutton and Ellen .................
you need to buy a birth certificate for one of the children to be absolutely certain of Ellen's maiden name
Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
Sutton Frank Grantham 7a 930 TUNBRIDGE Ellen Grantham 7a 930
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SylviaInCanada
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28 Jul 2014 05:36 |
it is difficult to find out when Frank and Ellen died .................... the names are pretty common!
and we do not know that they stayed in Horwich for the rest of their lives.
you may have to buy a marriage certificate for one or more of the children to see if Frank is shown as alive or deceased ........... although even that is not always accurate!
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Chris Ho :)
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28 Jul 2014 07:45 |
Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1860
SUTTON Frank Malmesbury East History Centre (Mother Maiden Name) HATHWAY ME/11/190
http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php
Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1854
SUTTON Thomas HATHWAY Susanna Brinkworth, St Michael History Centre C7/1/158
Chris :)
edits (the Snells)
http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/Items/Brinkworth/Brinkworth%20-%20Post%20Office%20Directory%201855%20(with%20Grittenham).pdf
Sutton Thomas Farmer Snell’s Farm
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David
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28 Jul 2014 14:46 |
Dear Friends
Firstly may I say a very big thank you for all the help you've provided, this seems to be the same information that I found too but hope that something else may come to light at some stage.
I think that you're right in saying about a marriage certificate for one of the children, I will try to find which might be the best one to send for. I'll look on FreeBMD to see if there are any marriages near to Horwich that might lead me to this family.
I have known of the link with the Wiltshire Sutton's and the Hathway's as I found these way back in 2003 when I first started my family history research. My great grandfather was born in Brinkworth and this was the very starting point for me.
My ancestors were farmers down in Wiltshire and it seems as though they left their county of origin in the early 1870's. I'm told that farming trends took a turn for the worse at that time and they migrated northwards in search of work.
Frank Sutton originally moved to Lincolnshire with his parents and siblings and they each made their way to various parts of the country. Frank ran a pub (The Lincoln Tavern) in King's Lynn and my great grandfather (Rowland Tom Sutton) held licences for the The Woolpack. Tennyson Avenue, King's Lynn 30.06.1984, the Lord Nelson. Austin St in King's Lynn 13.10.1884 and eventually holding the licence for the Carpenters Arms, East Winch near King's Lynn from 1896 - 1912 with Sophie (my great grandmother). Most of their children were born at East Winch apart from a couple who were born in King's Lynn.
Anybody interested in any of Roland Tom Sutton's history, this can be seen on the link below.
http://www.eastwinchandwestbilney.co.uk/personal-vignette/the-sutton-family
Thank you soooo much again to each and every one of you for your fantastic help you've given, I am really grateful for the information provided.
With all kind wishes David
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Joseph
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28 Jul 2014 16:44 |
????? Possible marriages but you need the certificates to be sure.
Lancashire Marriage indexes
1916 SUTTON Ellen HANSON Richard Horwich, St Catherine Bolton 39/1/134
1924 SUTTON Frank LONG Martha Horwich, St Catherine Bolton 39/2/138
????? Again it’s a long shot
Lancashire Death indexes
1927 SUTTON Lily 30 Horwich Bolton HOR/44/252
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David
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28 Jul 2014 16:51 |
Hello Joseph
Thanks for your help with these marriages. I think I'll send for one of those and see what it comes up with.
You've been very kind and I'll update the board once I get this through.
Take care David
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