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My name is Debbie (Deborah) Orgill Davids. I am the daughter of Douglas Haig Orgill and Doris Estelle Fraley Orgill. My dad’s father was John Orgill, born in Lattimer, Pennsylvania (PA), and then moved to Scranton, PA, where I am guessing he met my grandmother, Jessie Cousins, and they married in Scranton Methodist Church in apprx 1895. My dad was the youngest of 6 children, 3 boys and 3 girls. The girls birth year apprx Agnes Moffett Orgill (1886), Margaret Moister Orgill (1897), Ruth Isabel Orgill (1908) and boys Thomas William Orgill (1899) John Cousins Orgill (1903) and at the age of 48 years old , my grandmother gave birth to my dad, Douglas Haig, making his sibling quite a bit older than he, and when they all married and had children, they all had boys which were all more my dad’s age, and making my cousins more like my dad and when they did have children, I was still a bit older than them. My grandfather passed away when my dad was about 2 , so it was his siblings that helped my grandmother raise him. By the time I was born, there were no Orgills around and I am hoping for help here to find family still living in the UK or maybe in the US. My grandfather John R Orgill was born in the US, my great grandfather John Orgill was born in 1832 in Stapenhill or Newhall, Derbyshire, UK?. My great great grandfather was Thomas born abt 1797, same city, my great great grandmother Elizabeth (no maiden name)born abt 1797, their children were William , Ann abt 1827, All the above was just received and is all I have. Anything anyone can provide on past and present Orgill family is welcome.

Welcome to the boards Deborah.

For reference this looks like the family in the 1841 census:-

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place

Thomas Orgill Male 44 1797 Derbyshire
Elizabeth Orgill Female 44 1797 Derbyshire
William Orgill Male 23 1818 Derbyshire
Thomas Orgill Male 21 1820 Derbyshire
Frances Orgill Female 17 1824 Derbyshire
Ann Orgill Female 13 1828 Derbyshire
John Orgill Male 10 1831 Derbyshire
John Bishop Male 12 1829 Derbyshire

Kath. x

Same family in the 1851 census:-

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Thomas Orgill Head Married Male 54 1797 Miner Newhall, Derbyshire Image Transcription
Elizabeth Orgill Wife Married Female 54 1797 - Newhall, Derbyshire Image Transcription
William Orgill Son Unmarried Male 34 1817 Miner Newhall, Derbyshire Image Transcription
Ann Orgill Daughter Unmarried Female 24 1827 - Newhall, Derbyshire Image Transcription
John Orgill Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Miner Newhall, Derbyshire Image Transcription
Jemima Orgill Grand Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Newhall, Derbyshire Image Transcription
Samuel Orgill Grand Son - Male 0 1851 - Newhall, Derbyshire

Kath. x

According to the IGI there is this marriage:-

Thomas Orgill to Elizabeth Prescott in Stapenhill, Derbyshire on 1st September 1817.

The source of the above information is a parish printout so should be correct.

Kath. x

Thank you for such a quick response. To find out if I still have family in the UK, I guess I place a small note on one of the threads, I now have to do a similar search for my grandmother who was born in Scotland. All my husbands family are here local, so my kids don't think I have any......they volunteered to do their dad's family tree. Thanks

Have you searched the trees on here?

There seems to be a number of trees with the Orgill name from Derbyshire

There is not much point posting on an old thread as the poster may not see it now

I hate to admit this, bu I have not found them yet! This site is very different.

Hi Deborah, yes this site is a little different and not the most user friendly. On the menu above there's a magnifying glass - click on that to get to the menu for searching other people's trees.

You mention your grandparents married about 1895, just posting this in case you didn't have the exact date:

Pennsylvania and New Jersey, Church and Town Records, 1708-1985

Name: John R Orgill
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 9 Oct 1895
Marriage Place: Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, USA
Spouse Name: Jessie Cousin
Denomination: United Methodist
Organization Name: Providence United Methodist

Married at the home of the bride.

There is someone on this site called Sarah who has Douglas Orgill born 1918 in her tree.

If you do as MarieCeleste says above you should find her and you can then click on "find out more" and send her a message direct.

Lots of other people with Orgill family members from Derbyshire in their trees. You can send messages to any of these that you think might have a match with your family.

Kath. x

Is this the family in 1940? If so Jessie is 65, Douglas 22 making her 43 when he was born. Gerald Fowler is son-in-law so Agnes her daughter.

1940 United States Federal Census
about Jessie Orgill Name: Jessie Orgill
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Scotland
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania
Map of Home in 1940: View map
Street: Parker Street
House Number: 202
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania
Residence in 1935: Same House
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 12B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 229
House Owned or Rented: Owned
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 2800
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 6th grade
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jessie Orgill 65
Douglass Orgill 22
Gearld Fowler 44
Agnes Fowler 43
John Fowler 12

Same family in 1930:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Jessie Orgill Name: Jessie Orgill
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Scotland
Race: White
Home in 1930: Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania
Map of Home: View map
Marital Status: Widowed
Immigration Year: 1894
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Household Members: Name Age
Jessie Orgill 55
Thomas W Orgill 30
John C Orgill 27
Ruth I Orgill 21
Douglass H Orgill 12
Isabel Orgill 24

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=orgill&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=40&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=129947667&df=all&

And again in 1920. Because of the huge age gap I wonder if Douglas could be an illegitimate son of one of the daughters?

1920 United States Federal Census
about Douglas Orgill Name: Douglas Orgill
[Dougal Orgill]
Age: 1
[1 10/12]
Birth Year: abt 1919
[abt 1918]
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1920: Scranton Ward 1, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: John R Orgill
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's name: Jessie Orgill
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John R Orgill 48
Jessie Orgill 44
Agnes Orgill 23
Margaret Orgill 22
Thomas Orgill 20
John Orgill 16
Ruth Orgill 12
Douglas Orgill 1
[1 10/12]
William Cousins 47
Agnes Cousins 39

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=99159664

There is a tree on Ancestry that has the 1841 family. According to it John b1832 married Emma Bridgewood. There are children shown but no John. The last source for this family is the 1861 English census. When did John go to America?

Looking at the sources for this tree, I think they have the wrong John in 1861 but there are other lines down from his brothers they may prove helpful. If you don't have access to Ancestry, you should be able to view the tree on the Mundia site.

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ORGILL John BRIDGWOOD Emma Shelton, St Mark Stoke-On-Trent 27/01/188

I will work on all the info and try and find things. I was the legitimitate daughter of Douglas H Orgill, even given the large gap in age. My Grandmother Orgill was with us until she she reached the age of 86. When my Dad was young they helped raise him until he married my Dad. All of my Dad's brother's and sisters were old enough to be my parent, but I have all paperwork which is in order. Thank you all,ao much.

I think it was Douglas's parentage that was being questioned not yours Deborah

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~brett/parregs.htm


17-Jul 1797 Thomas ORGILL Thos & Ann Newhall

1900 United States Federal Census about Jessie Orgell
Name: Jessie Orgell
Age: 25
Birth Date: Jan 1875
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1900: Scranton Ward 1, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1883 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: John Orgell
Marriage Year: 1895
Years Married: 5
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother: number of living children: 3
Mother: How many children: 3
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Orgell 30
Jessie Orgell 25
Agnes Orgell 3
Margaret Orgell 1
Thomas Orgell 6/12


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New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Jessie Cousen
Name: Jessie Cousen (probably Cousin in image)
Arrival Date: 4 Sep 1883
Birth Date: abt 1875
Age: 8
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Place of Origin: Scotland
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Anchoria

Travelling with Agnes Cousin, 37; William Cousin, 10; James Cousin, 7; and Agnes Cousin, 3.



1881 Scotland Census about Jessie Cousin
Name: Jessie Cousin
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John Cousin
Mother's name: Agnes Cousin
Gender: Female
Where born: Cadder, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 626A/1
Registration district: Cadder Western District
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Davidson'S Land
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 34
LINE: 8
Roll: cssct1881_205
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cousin 42 - b. Cadder
Agnes Cousin 36 - b. Old Monkland
William Cousin 8
Jessie Cousin 6
James Cousin 3
Agnes G Cousin 1

Children all born Cadder.


Jessie's parents' marriage. If you buy credits on ScotlandsPeople you can view and print the image of the original record, which will give John and Agnes's parents' names and when their parents' married.

1872 COUSIN JOHN MOFFAT AGNES CADDER (WESTERN) /LANARK 626/A1 0004


Jessie's father John:

1871 Scotland Census about John Cousin
Name: John Cousin
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Agnes Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: Cadder, Lanark
Registration Number: 626A/1
Registration district: Cadder Western District
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Findlays Land
Occupation: Iron Miner
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 46
LINE: 15
Roll: CSSCT1871_119
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Cousin 61
John Cousin 30
William Cousin 21
Mary Cousin 17
William Muir 14
Alice Muir 13
Elizabeth Muir 6



1861 Scotland Census about John Cousin
Name: John Cousin
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Agnes Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: Cadder, Lanark
Registration Number: 626/1
Registration district: Cadder Western District
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Occupation: Iron Miner
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 27
LINE: 13
Roll: CSSCT1861_93
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Cousin 47
John Cousin 21
David Cousin 18
William Cousin 12
Elizabeth Cousin 9
Mary Cousin 6



1841 Scotland Census about John Cousin
Name: John Cousin
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Village Of New Auchinearn
Parish Number: 626
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cousin 35
Agnes Cousin 30
Jannet Cousin 9
James Cousin 7
John Cousin 5
Ann Cousin 3
Agnes Cousin 1
James Cousin 40