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forgot to say sorry for being so long in replying but , i was in of hospitat last friday and had to go to doctors to day

potty yes that is emma,s marriage which i also hoped there would be a my as in another name on certificate abd its the same on amy,s birth just being amy
flip...i have searched and also thought that william morriison barwick was my william this is the info i found
children to thomas and amy barwick all born aspatria
1764 christopher death 1765
1766 john death 1766
1769 george
1769 joseph1772 john
1775 william morrison this being a middle name
i also found a death for john barwick 14 march 1766 cumberland possable father of thomas
i thought that amy barwick might hae been a morrison but also searched for amy and thomas,s marriage but couldnt find one i also couldnt find a death for amy barwick there was more barwick children bonr to thomas after william but mother was mary but why would william drop the barwick ? i sort of give up on william , but i have to say the names thomas , joseph john and amy follow on in the morrison,s right to early 1900,s

Looking at your previous thread, and bearing in mind the old registers are bad to decipher, I wonder if you should check out the William Morrison Barwick christened Aspatria 10/9/1775?

Reasoning being, mother was Amy, father Thomas and they look to have had 5 children - with William being the last - so did she die shortly after his birth?

Christenings:
5/12/1765 Christopher
12/11/1769 Joseph (recorded as Berwick), assumed born before this next one
12/11/1769 George (recorded as Berwick), born 1/9/1769
9/6/1772 John
10/9/1775 William Morrison

Now all these children were christened Aspatria (and I agree Spaytree is how the locals say it I have work collegues who still say it that way) with father Thomas and mother Amy. BUT, no more children to them, rather perculiar unless one of them has died.

So, next Thomas marries Margaret Crone 14/5/1780 and they go on to have the following children - is this the same Thomas?:

Mary ch 18/8/1782
Amy ch 17/8/1783 (named after dead wife?)
George 2/1/1789
Joseph 8/8/1890

Then your William Morrison appears to have the following children:

James ch 15/9/1811 (mother Elizabeth Lamb)
Amey ch 22/1/1815 <<maybe after his mother
Elizabeth ch 8/9/16
Sarah ch 1/6/18
Catharine 22/7/21
Thomas 2/2/23 << maybe after his father

This is all speculation, but not all the records have not been transcribed for Cumberland, nor for Durham, and they are really difficult to decipher at times - with water/damp damage inflicted on many of the registers.

George Rogerson in 1851 - was hoping Emma/Amy would be with but she isn't:


1851 England Census
George Rogman -Rogerson on image

Age:31
Estimated birth year:abt 1820
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Thomas Rogman
Mother's name:Mary Rogman
Gender:Male
Where born:Chester le Street, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Chester le Street
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Occupation: Mason (as in 1861)
Condition as to marriage:
Registration district:Chester Le Street

Thomas Rogman 76
Mary Rogman 74
John Rogman 35 - son, Mason, unmarried
George Rogman 31
Mary Ann Rogman 2 - granddaughter

Looks like she married as Emma:

Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%)
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Adamson Elizabeth Houghton le Sp 24 163
DOVE Eleanor Houghton le Sp 24 163
MINTO Mary Ann Houghton Sp 24 163
********MORRISON Emma Houghton le Sp 24 163
REAY Robert Houghton le Sp'g 24 163
********Rogerson George Houghton le Sp'g 24 163
Thompson Matthew Houghton le Spg. 24 163
Turnbull John Houghton le Spring 24 163

ricochet yes that thread is mine but it was on a william morrison and cumbria archive search i had done not on amy /emma ... this is a different question on amy and emma if they were same person ....... i have given up on william as there is no more info to be found on him ..... the thread you hae placed on this post is nothing to do with amy / emma but thank you for remi9nding me of my other post

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1341096

do i take it that no one can find the birth of emma and the death of amy .. and no one has any ideas if they are the same person , but why would amy be baptised as amy which is confirmed and her name amy as mother on the births of her children and why would the marriage of emma in 1851 not be in the name of amy if these were the same people ?

Aw so both her children died I feel very sad when I discover children die so young thank you once again

Name: George Morrison
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 01 Feb 1851
Burial Place: Chester Le Street, Durham, England
Death Date: null
Death Place: null
Age: 3
Birth Date: 1848
Birthplace: null
Occupation: null
Race: null
Marital Status: null
Spouse's Name: null
Father's Name: null
Father's Birthplace: null
Mother's Name: null
Mother's Birthplace: null
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B05186-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1894227
Reference ID: 200



Citing this Record:
"England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZLH-5ZJ : accessed 26 Jun 2014), George Morrison, 01 Feb 1851; citing , reference 200; FHL microfilm 1894227.

safc thank you very much for fimding his death its appreciated

Name: Richard Wood Morison
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 01 Oct 1841
Burial Place: Chester Le Street, Durham, England
Death Date: null
Death Place: null
Age: 1
Birth Date: 1840
Birthplace: null
Occupation: null
Race: null
Marital Status: null
Spouse's Name: null
Father's Name: null
Father's Birthplace: null
Mother's Name: null
Mother's Birthplace: null
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B05186-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1894227
Reference ID: 51



Citing this Record:
"England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZLH-XQ7 : accessed 26 Jun 2014), Richard Wood Morison, 01 Oct 1841; citing , reference 51; FHL microfilm 1894227.

amey was baptised 22 jan 1815 if emma and amey were same person why would she marry with the name emma when she was baptised amy and why would emmas daughter mary ann,s 1839 baptisim be mother emma and why would richard wood morrison,s 1841 mother be named as amy. why is amy keep changing her name to emma if they are same person ? all of the baptisims are on family search

but where are amys children richard 1841 baptised richard wood morrison 5 sep 1841 and george 9 march 1848 and where is mary ann 1851 emmas daughter unless they died but i cant find there deaths

safrc thank you i have emma in 1861 now rodgerson emmas death was 1898 but i also have amys death for 1851 but lost the notes to confirm this when i moved

1871 Census
5 Records found



Piece: RG10/4989 Place: Chester le Street -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 9
Civil Parish: Chester Le Street Ecclesiastical Parish: Chester Le Street
Folio: 58 Page: 37 Schedule: 209
Address: Chester Bourns

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROGERSON George Head M M 50 Mason Co. Durham - Chester Le Street
ROGERSON Emma Wife M F 55 - Co. Durham - Chester Le Street
ROGERSON Thomas Son U M 20 Mason Co. Durham - Chester Le Street
ROGERSON Isabella Dau - F 16 Domestic Servant Co. Durham - Chester Le Street
ROGERSON Emma Dau - F 13 - Co. Durham - Chester Le Street

1861 census

right age for amy or emma

Piece: RG9/3759 Place: Chester-le-Street -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 0
Civil Parish: Chester Le Street Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 58 Page: 34 Schedule: 167
Address: Street

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROGERSON George Head M M 40 Stone Mason Co. Durham - Chester Le Street
ROGERSON Emma Wife M F 46 Milliner Co. Durham - Chester Le Street
ROGERSON Thomas Son U M 10 Scholar Co. Durham - Chester Le Street
ROGERSON Elizabeth Dau U F 8 Scholar Co. Durham - Chester Le Street
ROGERSON Isabella Dau U F 6 Scholar Co. Durham - Chester Le Street
ROGERSON Emma Dau U F 3 Scholar Co. Durham - Chester Le Street

potty and safc thank you that is correct i just cant find the birth of emma william and elizabeths daughte ras in 1841 census and the death of amy for 1851

thank you potty and answer to mel fairy godmother , yes amy was not married i cant find a marriage for her and regards to the children my research found that in 1841 census william age 4yr was elizabeths son 1816 sibling of emma / amy
mary ann 2yr was emmas daughter
richard 10month was amys son father richard wood all of the above as in mothers of children i got this info off family search
1n 1851 census there is another child thomas9 month his mother was frances morrison

Could this be William c1837's baptism:


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
William Morrison
Gender:Male
Baptism Date:7 Aug 1836
Baptism Place:Chester-le-Street, Durham, England
Mother: Elizabeth Morrison
FHL Film Number:1894221
Reference ID:108

The Bishop's Transcript image on familysearch has him as illegitmate.