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Hi folks, sorry havent been back but we had 2 accidents on friday and my young neighbour of 24 sadly died at tea time today so have been rather preoccupied.

Thankyou for the additional info. catherine/caroline I agree could be a possibility.

I didnt think it was going to be so difficult as thought maybe i had missed something obvious but not so.

She is on the 1911 census in west ashford, living with her son james. Poss that she moved afterwards but where to, that may take some time to find!

Thankyou everyone who has contributed so far. I am very grateful for all the info.

i will be looking into the family a bit more and where others were living in 1911 and see if that throws up anything but wont be til after the weekend as i have a wake and funeral over the next few days.

Thankyou again
Florence
in the hebrides

I agree that the Caroline record is worth investigating ... censuses show that the two names, Caroline and Catherine, were sometimes treated as interchangeable or mistaken one for the other (that is, a Catherine in one census will be Caroline in the next or vice versa)

if only Ancestry had not gone down this evening I'd have more of a look around for a Caroline too ...

... using familysearch as a substitute, our Catherine's census records all show up there, but none for a Caroline in Ashford

I saw that Caroline Skinner death record and had the same reaction. I certainly don't think that it can be dismissed.

This may be a really dumb long shot. I am wondering if Catherine was registered as Caroline, either by mistake or the informant got her name wrong?


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name:Caroline Skinner

Birth Date:abt 1834

Date of Registration:Jun 1921

Age at Death:87

Registration district:West Ashford

Inferred County:Kent

Volume:2a

Page:965


I can't see a Caroline Skinner on the 1911 census in Ashford?

This looks like that 1920 death



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966


Name:Katherine Skinner of Tatsfield Court Farm

Probate Date:17 Sep 1920

Death Date:19 Jul 1920

Death Place:Surrey, England

Registry:London, England

Probate to: John Hollamby Skinner, Alfred Skinner - Farmers & Hettie Skinner, spinster £2008 8s 3d


And this is the family, so not yours



1911 England Census

Name:Katherine Skinner

Age in 1911:70

Estimated birth year:abt 1841

Relation to Head:Head

Gender:Female

Birth Place:Limpsfield, Surrey, England

Civil Parish:Tatsfield Titsey

County/Island:Surrey

Country:England

Street address:
Tatsfield Court Fam, Tatsfield, Near Weserham

Marital Status:Widowed

Occupation:Farmer

Registration district:Godstone

Registration District Number:38

Sub-registration district:Godstone

ED, institution, or vessel:22

Household schedule number:163

Piece:3265

Household Members:


Name

Age

Katherine Skinner 70
John Hollamby Skinner 41
Alfred Skinner 39
Isabelle Fanny Skinner 31
Hetty Skinner 28
Mary Jane Skinner 30
Ronald Wallis Skinner

1911 census shows the following Catherine Skinner's b1836 +/- 5 years
St Albans, Herts b 1833
Ashford, Kent b 1835
Depwade, Norfolk b 1836
Cheltenham, Glos b 1838
Godstone, Surrey b 1841 (Spelt with a K)

Catherine Skinner deaths b 1836 +/- 5 years
1925 (b 1840) Bristol
1926 (b 1834) Depwade
1920 (b1832) St Albans
1920 (b1840) Godstone (spelt with the K)
1917 (b1839) Epsom, Surrey (Katherine J)
1911 (b 1832 Allahabad, India (British India Office deaths and Burials)

Which would appear to leave Catherine in Ashford as missing as the others seem to be close matches to a year or so and for area. Obviously cannot be ruled out unless proven. (Unless she travelled out to India after 1911 aged 75+ !!)

What about======Katherine as a spelling,

One died in 1920 as Katherine - age given as 80,,but that could be a guess,,,,,,,it was in Godstone Surrey a fair way from Ashford but maybe family lived there.

thanks catherine will have to check out a bit further to see if any other family lived in this area. the family was huge so this will take me a while.

looks very possible though.

thankyou
Florence
in the hebrides

Ah NO, this looks to be the Catherine Skinner from death:-

1911 England Census about Catherine Skinner
Name: Catherine Skinner
Age in 1911: 75
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Pulham Market, Norfolk
Civil Parish: Pulham St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address: Colegate End Rd, Pulham Market, Pulham Saint Mary Magdalen
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Private Means
Registration district: Depwade
Registration District Number: 230
Sub-registration district: Harleston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 59
Piece: 11433
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Skinner 75
Mary Alden 55

.............so can eliminate this one!

Any connection to Norfolk, if yes then maybe ????

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Catherine Skinner
Name: Catherine Skinner
Birth Date: abt 1834
Date of Registration: Dec 1926
Age at Death: 92
Registration district: Depwade
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 234
...........................

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Catherine Skinner
Name: Catherine Skinner (Widow)
Probate Date: 29 Jan 1927
Death Date: 2 Dec 1926
Death Place: Norfolk, England
Registry: London, England

Probate is to Martha Harvey (widow) £390 3s 1d

Not what was asked for but here it is anyway:-

1851 England Census about Catharine Arthur
Name: Catharine Arthur
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashford, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Ashford
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
Town: Ashford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Barrow Hill Villa
Occupation: Servant
Registration district: West Ashford
Sub-registration district: Calehill
ED, institution, or vessel: 4f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 1621
Folio: 424
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
William Watter 61
Harriot Walter 49
Georgiana Walter 22
George Wlater 12
Louisa H Smith 4
Catharine Arthur 18
.........................................

and 1841 (same parents as baptism)
1841 England Census about Catherine Arter
Name: Catherine Arter
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Ashford
Hundred: Chart and Longbridge
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: (of father) Ag.Lab.
Registration district: West Ashford
Sub-registration district: Ashford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 471
Book: 2
Folio: 18
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
John Arter 60
Ann Arter 50
Elizabeth Arter 25
Charlotte Arter 20
Margaret Arter 14
Jane Arter 11
William Arter 9
Catherine Arter 6

Baptism
County Kent
Place Ashford
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 28 Dec 1834
Forename Catherine
Sex M
FatherForename John
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname ARTHUR
MotherSurname
Abode Ashford
FatherOccupation Labourer


Baptism
County Kent
Place Ashford
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 08 Mar 1827
Forename Stephen John
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Margaret
FatherSurname SKINNER
MotherSurname
Abode Ashford
FatherOccupation Labourer


County Kent
Place Ashford
Church St Mary Tr
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 11 Oct 1851
GroomForename Stephen John
GroomSurname Skinner
BrideForename Catherine
BrideSurname Arthur


Baptism
County Kent
Place Ashford
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 25 Jul 1852
Forename Jane
FatherForename Stephen
MotherForename Catherine
FatherSurname SKINNER
MotherSurname
Abode Ashford
FatherOccupation Sawyer

(above, from below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

Catherine Elis Roots married William Ball:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Catherine Elis Ball
Name: Catherine Elis Ball
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1867
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: West Ashford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 355

.................so she looks like Catherine's maiden name was Arthur.

Thanks to you all for your help. It is a bit of a mystery. I did wonder if she remarried but she was over 70 when stepehn died so seems unlikely.

wish the 1921 census was available as if she was dead then, it would narrow it down a bit.

nevermind will keep looking. did try other sites too but no luck.

Thanks again
Florence
in the hebrides

3 trees on Ancestry have her death as 1917, St Peters, Bridge, Kent. None of them have any sources. I wonder if it is burial rather than a death?

Edit: forget this - that Catherine was the daughter of a Stephen Skinner and married a Mr Dunk.

Is this son James's death?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about James L Skinner
Name: James L Skinner
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Dec 1927
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: West Ashford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1119

Dea x

for the other children


1881 England Census about Catherine Skinner
Name: Catherine Skinner
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Stephen Skinner
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashford, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Ashford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 55 New Street
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Ashford
Sub-registration district: Ashford
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 947
Folio: 32
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Skinner 55
Catherine Skinner 46
Sarah Skinner 24
William Skinner 21
Joseph Skinner 17
Charles Skinner 15
Rosa Skinner 11
James Skinner 8
Charlotte Skinner 6
Elizabeth Skinner 4
George Skinner 2
Edward Skinner

Was she Catherine Arthur or Catherine Elis Roots?

just for my ref

1901 England Census about Catherine Skinner
Name: Catherine Skinner
Relation to Head: Mother
Gender: Female
Spouse: Stephen Skinner
Birth Place: Ashford, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Ashford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Ashford
Sub-registration district: Ashford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 782
Folio: 60
Page Number: 19
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Skinner 22
Ellen Skinner 22
Stephen Skinner 74
Catherine Skinner 66
James Skinner 29
Harry Mate 20

Have you looked to see if any of her other children lived outside the Ashford area after 1911? Just wondering , as I can't see a death, whether she was visiting one of her other children when she died?