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Vivienne
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10 Jun 2014 11:13 |
Hi, I'm looking for descendants/relatives of Mark Kempthorne born in East Newlyn Cornwall 1838 - anyone out there? :-)
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safc
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10 Jun 2014 11:17 |
1841 Census 8 Records found Piece: HO107/150/9 Place: Pydar -Cornwall Enumeration District: 4 Civil Parish: Newlyn Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 19 Page: 4 Address: Trevoal
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks KEMPTHORNE Mark M 29 Agricultural Labourer Cornwall KEMPTHORNE Elizabeth F 29 Cornwall KEMPTHORNE Ann F 12 Cornwall KEMPTHORNE Charles M 10 Cornwall KEMPTHORNE William Henry M 8 Cornwall KEMPTHORNE James M 6 Cornwall KEMPTHORNE Mark M 2 Cornwall KEMPTHORNE Thomas M 1 Cornwall
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Gee
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10 Jun 2014 11:18 |
Hi Vivienne
Did he leave the UK and go to NZ?
A tree at Ancestry has details of him, you could contact the tree owner and also, search trees on here
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jun 2014 11:18 |
Hello, Vivienne -
Welcome to the boards.
You might be lucky, but it's not very likely that any of his relatives will just happen to come across your message here.
Try "Search all members' tress" (under "Search" at the top of this page), and see if there are any Kempthornes born in likely places, on anyone 's tree on GR, then contact the tree owners - click on "Find out more" beside the tree owner's name.
Do you need help with tracing his descendants (or ancestors) via BMD's and censuses? If so, let us know, and we may be able to help. Or are you only wanting to make contact with living relatives?
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10 Jun 2014 11:19 |
1851 Census 5 Records found Piece: HO107/1905 Place: Padstow -Cornwall Enumeration District: 3b Civil Parish: Newlyn Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 556 Page: 48 Schedule: 189 Address: Choon
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks KEMPTHORNE Mark Head M M 47 Ag Lab Cornwall - Endellion KEMPTHORNE Betsy Wife M F 48 Cornwall - St. Enoder KEMPTHORNE Ann Dau U F 21 Ag Lab Cornwall - Newlyn KEMPTHORNE Mark Son U M 11 Ag Lab Cornwall - Newlyn KEMPTHORNE Thomas Son U M 9 Ag Lab Cornwall - Newlyn
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10 Jun 2014 11:21 |
Day Month 02-Aug Year 1828 Parish Or Reg District Newlyn East Groom Fn Mark Groom Sn KEMPTHORNE Groom Age Groom Residence otp Groom Condition Groom Rank Profession Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M Groom Father Name Groom Father Rank Profession Bride Fn Elizabeth Bride Sn TIPPET Bride Age Bride Residence otp Bride Condition Bride Rank Profession Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M Bride Father Name Bride Father Rank Profession Banns / Licence (B/L) B Witness Fn1 John Witness Sn1 Oliver Witness Fn2 Robt Witness Sn2 Cundy Other Information Transcriber Notes Transcriber John Evans
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jun 2014 11:22 |
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1861 England Census about Mark Kempthorne Name: Mark Kempthorne Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: 1842 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Newylyn East, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Phillack County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: Redruth Sub-registration district: Phillack ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 31 Piece: 1586 Folio: 22 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age William Crotch 69 Margaret Crotch 73 William James Crotch 36 Elizabeth A Olver 26 Mary Bawden 30 Jane Richards 26 Mary Jennings 22 Jane H Bawden 22 Elizabeth A Berriman 26 Hester Ann James 18 Mark Kempthorne 19 - unmarried
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safc
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10 Jun 2014 11:23 |
Day Month 30-Dec Year 1801 Parish Or Reg District Enoder, St. Forename Elizabeth Surname TIPPET Sex dau Father Forename George Mother Forename Ann Residence Father Rank Profession Notes Transcriber Notes Transcriber Sue Boyland
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ErikaH
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10 Jun 2014 13:01 |
Have you tried to do any research?
How do you relate to him?
You can't have plucked his details out of the ether...............so what else do you know, before we spend time looking for info you may already have.
It helps us to help you if you give as much detail as possible
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Cynthia
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11 Jun 2014 13:15 |
Oh dear, what happened to good manners? No 'please' or 'thank you' - it sounds as though Vivienne is being interrogated Reggie.
Hello Vivienne,
As you are new to the boards, it would be really helpful if you could please give us as much information as you have on this gentleman. This will give people an idea of where to start helping you. Thanks :-)
Not too much waffle there I hope Reggie.
I will now let Vivienne know that she has replies to her query. :-)
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ArgyllGran
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11 Jun 2014 15:42 |
His birth and death ??? St Columb reg district includes Newlyn:
Births Dec 1838 KEMPTHORNE Mark St Columb 9 67
Deaths Mar 1864 KIMPTHORNE Mark St Columb 5c 101
(On the Ancestry version, the surname has been corrected to Kempthorne by an Ancestry member.)
It doesn't look as if he married, so no direct descendants.
You'd have to buy the death cert & check the details on it to be sure this is the same person.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Jun 2014 15:46 |
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Mark Kempthorn Name: Mark Kempthorn Gender: Male Baptism Date: 11 Nov 1838 Baptism Place: East Newlyn,Cornwall,England Father: Mark Kempthorn Mother: Elizabeth FHL Film Number: 246772
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safc
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11 Jun 2014 15:49 |
could be his father
Day Month 27-Mar Year 1864 Parish Or Reg District Newlyn East Forename Mark Surname Kempthorne Age 59 Residence Naem St Newlyn Notes Transcriber Notes Transcriber Michael McCormick
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ArgyllGran
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11 Jun 2014 16:45 |
Yes, you're right, safc.
In that case I don't see any sign of Mark jr after 1861.
I don't see the Ancestry tree mentioned by Gins, which apparently has him going to NZ. There are records of at least one Mark Kempthorne in NZ - various ER's to 1938 (see list below), a marriage in 1897, a death in 1916, but nothing with his POB or DOB to confirm if the right person.
ER': 1896 - Mark, labourer 1900 - Mark (mill hand) and Letitia. 1905-6 - John (farmer), Letitia (married), and Mark (farmer) 1911 - as 1905-6. 1914 - Mark (farmer) and Letitia 1919 - Mark (farmer) [so the one who died in 1916 is a different Mark.] 1928 - Letitia (married), Mark (farmer), William Henry (labourer) 1935 - Mark (farmer) and William Henry (labourer) 1938 - Mark (farmer), Sylvia (married), William Henry (labourer)
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Vivienne
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12 Jun 2014 05:55 |
Wow! Sorry for not giving more details on my original post! I did not know that all your efforts were here as I didn't realise that GR did not email you when a post goes up - as in RootsChat for example. Thanks Cynthia for letting me know. Here is the story so far: My current block is my g grandfather John Kempthorne. He appears in the 1881 census at Stoketon Farm near Saltash. He then goes on to marry my g grandmother Annie Bickle (nee Ellacott). After years of searching and asking for help, I have never found him. I chased all sorts of red herrings, including thinking he was the JK from Sithney (who went to Devon). What I know about him: he said he was born in East Newlyn. His birth date would be somewhere between 1835 and 1842. He was said he was forty when he married Annie - the marriage cert has no father listed. He was working as an ag labourer in 1881. There are no family stories about him. I have full info on him since 1881, but nothing earlier. This is where Mark K comes in. He is born in East Newlyn in 1838. Is in each census until 1861 then vanishes. I find, in the National Archives that he enlisted in the Royal Marines in Plymouth (after serving in the Royal Cornwall Rangers) in 1867. He seems to have been in Liverpool on board ship in 1871 although I can't verify it is him. He demobs in 1879. He then vanishes and I haven't found him since. His nephew Mark, along with many of his family, go to NZ but I can't find an emigration record for Mark. I found the others through the OPC emigration search. He disappears and John appears. Same age, same birthplace, same occupation. Is it the same person? How do I find out? I am wondering if anyone else is researching him or whether he appears in someone else's family tree? Kempthorne is not a common name, so chances are not good. So that's the story. Any ideas? Thanks too for the work people have already put in. Vivienne
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12 Jun 2014 10:38 |
Day Month 17-Dec Year 1884 Parish Or Reg District Stephens by Saltash, St. Groom Fn John Groom Sn KEMPTHORNE Groom Age 42 Groom Residence Newland Heath Groom Condition Bachelor Groom Rank Profession Labourer Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S Groom Father Name Groom Father Rank Profession Bride Fn Ann Bride Sn BICKLE Bride Age 41 Bride Residence Notter Bridge Bride Condition Widow Bride Rank Profession Innkeeper Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S Bride Father Name Bride Father Rank Profession Banns / Licence (B/L) B Witness Fn1 John Clough Witness Sn1 Kinsman Witness Fn2 Elizabeth Witness Sn2 Peard Other Information Transcriber Notes Transcriber T Bowler
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12 Jun 2014 10:39 |
1891 Census 4 Records found Piece: RG12/1808 Place: St Germans -Cornwall Enumeration District: 10 Civil Parish: St. Stephens Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Stephens Folio: 125 Page: 8 Schedule: 38 Address: Notter Bridge Sportsmans Arms
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks KEMPTHORNE John Head M M 50 Lic Vict'r & Ag. Lab(Em'ee) Devon - Devonport KEMPTHORNE Ann Wife M F 47 Devon - Tamerton Foliott KEMPTHORNE William Son S M 5 Cornwall - St. Stephens SCOTT William Boardr S M 29 Agricultural Laborer(Em'ee) Devon - Devonport
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Vivienne
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12 Jun 2014 12:00 |
Yep, safc, have all this. No problem with JK after 1881, have all his relevant records. Censuses, marriage, birth of son, death. The problem is before 1881. No John K's born East Newlyn (by the way "Newland Heath" on marriage cert I am pretty sure is a mishearing of Newlyn East - as I can't find any Newland Heath except an island off the north coast). No JK on any 1841,51,61,71 censuses who could be him. I still think that his appearance out of no where so soon after Mark K demobs and disappears is too much of a coincidence. This is why I am trying to find any evidence of MK post 1879. ;-)
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jun 2014 12:11 |
This will be the 1871 record which Vivienne thinks might be Mark:
1871 England Census about Mark Kempthorne Name: Mark Kempthorne Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Private Gender: Male Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Royal Navy Town: Off Rock Ferry County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Birkenhead Sub-registration district: Tranmere ED, institution, or vessel: Resistance Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 3752 Folio: 200 Page Number: 10
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Vivienne
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12 Jun 2014 12:28 |
Hi Argyll Gran, Yes I found this 1871 record - I presume it is him because he joined the Royal Marines in 1867 and left in 1879, even though the place of birth and age are wrong. Where does he go after 1879? It's a mystery. Why would he change his name to John, if in fact he does turn out to be my JK? Sigh....
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