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Hi Argyll Gran,
Yes I found this 1871 record - I presume it is him because he joined the Royal Marines in 1867 and left in 1879, even though the place of birth and age are wrong. Where does he go after 1879? It's a mystery. Why would he change his name to John, if in fact he does turn out to be my JK? Sigh....

This will be the 1871 record which Vivienne thinks might be Mark:


1871 England Census about Mark Kempthorne
Name: Mark Kempthorne
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Private
Gender: Male
Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Royal Navy
Town: Off Rock Ferry
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: Resistance
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 3752
Folio: 200
Page Number: 10

Yep, safc, have all this. No problem with JK after 1881, have all his relevant records. Censuses, marriage, birth of son, death. The problem is before 1881. No John K's born East Newlyn (by the way "Newland Heath" on marriage cert I am pretty sure is a mishearing of Newlyn East - as I can't find any Newland Heath except an island off the north coast).
No JK on any 1841,51,61,71 censuses who could be him.
I still think that his appearance out of no where so soon after Mark K demobs and disappears is too much of a coincidence. This is why I am trying to find any evidence of MK post 1879. ;-)

1891 Census
4 Records found



Piece: RG12/1808 Place: St Germans -Cornwall Enumeration District: 10
Civil Parish: St. Stephens Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Stephens
Folio: 125 Page: 8 Schedule: 38
Address: Notter Bridge Sportsmans Arms

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KEMPTHORNE John Head M M 50 Lic Vict'r & Ag. Lab(Em'ee) Devon - Devonport
KEMPTHORNE Ann Wife M F 47 Devon - Tamerton Foliott
KEMPTHORNE William Son S M 5 Cornwall - St. Stephens
SCOTT William Boardr S M 29 Agricultural Laborer(Em'ee) Devon - Devonport

Day Month 17-Dec
Year 1884
Parish Or Reg District Stephens by Saltash, St.
Groom Fn John
Groom Sn KEMPTHORNE
Groom Age 42
Groom Residence Newland Heath
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession Labourer
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Ann
Bride Sn BICKLE
Bride Age 41
Bride Residence Notter Bridge
Bride Condition Widow
Bride Rank Profession Innkeeper
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 John Clough
Witness Sn1 Kinsman
Witness Fn2 Elizabeth
Witness Sn2 Peard
Other Information
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber T Bowler

Wow! Sorry for not giving more details on my original post! I did not know that all your efforts were here as I didn't realise that GR did not email you when a post goes up - as in RootsChat for example. Thanks Cynthia for letting me know.
Here is the story so far:
My current block is my g grandfather John Kempthorne. He appears in the 1881 census at Stoketon Farm near Saltash. He then goes on to marry my g grandmother Annie Bickle (nee Ellacott). After years of searching and asking for help, I have never found him. I chased all sorts of red herrings, including thinking he was the JK from Sithney (who went to Devon).
What I know about him: he said he was born in East Newlyn. His birth date would be somewhere between 1835 and 1842. He was said he was forty when he married Annie - the marriage cert has no father listed. He was working as an ag labourer in 1881. There are no family stories about him. I have full info on him since 1881, but nothing earlier.
This is where Mark K comes in. He is born in East Newlyn in 1838. Is in each census until 1861 then vanishes. I find, in the National Archives that he enlisted in the Royal Marines in Plymouth (after serving in the Royal Cornwall Rangers) in 1867. He seems to have been in Liverpool on board ship in 1871 although I can't verify it is him. He demobs in 1879. He then vanishes and I haven't found him since. His nephew Mark, along with many of his family, go to NZ but I can't find an emigration record for Mark. I found the others through the OPC emigration search.
He disappears and John appears. Same age, same birthplace, same occupation. Is it the same person? How do I find out?
I am wondering if anyone else is researching him or whether he appears in someone else's family tree? Kempthorne is not a common name, so chances are not good. So that's the story. Any ideas?
Thanks too for the work people have already put in.
Vivienne

Yes, you're right, safc.

In that case I don't see any sign of Mark jr after 1861.

I don't see the Ancestry tree mentioned by Gins, which apparently has him going to NZ.
There are records of at least one Mark Kempthorne in NZ - various ER's to 1938 (see list below), a marriage in 1897, a death in 1916, but nothing with his POB or DOB to confirm if the right person.

ER':
1896 - Mark, labourer
1900 - Mark (mill hand) and Letitia.
1905-6 - John (farmer), Letitia (married), and Mark (farmer)
1911 - as 1905-6.
1914 - Mark (farmer) and Letitia
1919 - Mark (farmer) [so the one who died in 1916 is a different Mark.]
1928 - Letitia (married), Mark (farmer), William Henry (labourer)
1935 - Mark (farmer) and William Henry (labourer)
1938 - Mark (farmer), Sylvia (married), William Henry (labourer)

could be his father

Day Month 27-Mar
Year 1864
Parish Or Reg District Newlyn East
Forename Mark
Surname Kempthorne
Age 59
Residence Naem St Newlyn
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Michael McCormick

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Mark Kempthorn
Name: Mark Kempthorn
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 11 Nov 1838
Baptism Place: East Newlyn,Cornwall,England
Father: Mark Kempthorn
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 246772

His birth and death ??? St Columb reg district includes Newlyn:

Births Dec 1838
KEMPTHORNE Mark St Columb 9 67


Deaths Mar 1864
KIMPTHORNE Mark St Columb 5c 101

(On the Ancestry version, the surname has been corrected to Kempthorne by an Ancestry member.)

It doesn't look as if he married, so no direct descendants.

You'd have to buy the death cert & check the details on it to be sure this is the same person.

Oh dear, what happened to good manners? No 'please' or 'thank you' - it sounds as though Vivienne is being interrogated Reggie.



Hello Vivienne,

As you are new to the boards, it would be really helpful if you could please give us as much information as you have on this gentleman. This will give people an idea of where to start helping you. Thanks :-)



Not too much waffle there I hope Reggie.


I will now let Vivienne know that she has replies to her query. :-)

Have you tried to do any research?

How do you relate to him?

You can't have plucked his details out of the ether...............so what else do you know, before we spend time looking for info you may already have.

It helps us to help you if you give as much detail as possible

Day Month 30-Dec
Year 1801
Parish Or Reg District Enoder, St.
Forename Elizabeth
Surname TIPPET
Sex dau
Father Forename George
Mother Forename Ann
Residence
Father Rank Profession
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Sue Boyland

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1861 England Census about Mark Kempthorne
Name: Mark Kempthorne
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: 1842
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Newylyn East, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Phillack
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Phillack
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 1586
Folio: 22
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
William Crotch 69
Margaret Crotch 73
William James Crotch 36
Elizabeth A Olver 26
Mary Bawden 30
Jane Richards 26
Mary Jennings 22
Jane H Bawden 22
Elizabeth A Berriman 26
Hester Ann James 18
Mark Kempthorne 19 - unmarried

Day Month 02-Aug
Year 1828
Parish Or Reg District Newlyn East
Groom Fn Mark
Groom Sn KEMPTHORNE
Groom Age
Groom Residence otp
Groom Condition
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Elizabeth
Bride Sn TIPPET
Bride Age
Bride Residence otp
Bride Condition
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 John
Witness Sn1 Oliver
Witness Fn2 Robt
Witness Sn2 Cundy
Other Information
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber John Evans

1851 Census
5 Records found



Piece: HO107/1905 Place: Padstow -Cornwall Enumeration District: 3b
Civil Parish: Newlyn Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 556 Page: 48 Schedule: 189
Address: Choon

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KEMPTHORNE Mark Head M M 47 Ag Lab Cornwall - Endellion
KEMPTHORNE Betsy Wife M F 48 Cornwall - St. Enoder
KEMPTHORNE Ann Dau U F 21 Ag Lab Cornwall - Newlyn
KEMPTHORNE Mark Son U M 11 Ag Lab Cornwall - Newlyn
KEMPTHORNE Thomas Son U M 9 Ag Lab Cornwall - Newlyn

Hello, Vivienne -

Welcome to the boards.

You might be lucky, but it's not very likely that any of his relatives will just happen to come across your message here.

Try "Search all members' tress" (under "Search" at the top of this page), and see if there are any Kempthornes born in likely places, on anyone 's tree on GR, then contact the tree owners - click on "Find out more" beside the tree owner's name.

Do you need help with tracing his descendants (or ancestors) via BMD's and censuses? If so, let us know, and we may be able to help. Or are you only wanting to make contact with living relatives?

Hi Vivienne

Did he leave the UK and go to NZ?

A tree at Ancestry has details of him, you could contact the tree owner and also, search trees on here

1841 Census
8 Records found



Piece: HO107/150/9 Place: Pydar -Cornwall Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Newlyn Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 19 Page: 4
Address: Trevoal

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KEMPTHORNE Mark M 29 Agricultural Labourer Cornwall
KEMPTHORNE Elizabeth F 29 Cornwall
KEMPTHORNE Ann F 12 Cornwall
KEMPTHORNE Charles M 10 Cornwall
KEMPTHORNE William Henry M 8 Cornwall
KEMPTHORNE James M 6 Cornwall
KEMPTHORNE Mark M 2 Cornwall
KEMPTHORNE Thomas M 1 Cornwall

Hi, I'm looking for descendants/relatives of Mark Kempthorne born in East Newlyn Cornwall 1838 - anyone out there? :-)