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Yes..caleb died at ten months. So elizabeth had at least two if not four children with edward.

Hi dea
Well done for spotting caleb. Sarah Ellen definitely died. Maybe caleb did too..but they will definitely be Edwards..caleb was one of his brothers names. Yes..seems . Like edward had his problems..thanks everyone.

:-)

These look like the burials of the two other children:

Burial: 29 Jul 1876 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Ellen Marland -
Age: 1yr 4mnths
Abode: Cork Alley
Grave: 15991
Notes: Buried in a Public Grave
Gender: F
Register: Burials 1873 - 1879, Page 131, Entry 16303
Source: Original Registers Book 3




Burial: 13 Mar 1873 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Caleb Marland -
Age: 10mnths
Abode: Pickup St
Grave: 2007
Notes: Buried in a Public Grave
Gender: M
Register: Burials 1866 - 1873, Page 231, Entry 12456
Source: Original Registers Book 2

Dea x

OOhh - and another child in 1872:

MARLAND Caleb Burnley Preston WILKINSON BU/94/55

Dea x

Well, it looks like that death was the correct one then - well found Astra for the 1911 !

You have all been busy on this while I have been out :-)

I had found another possible child for Edward and Elizabeth but I don't know what happened to her?

Baptism: 6 Jun 1875 St Paul, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Ellen Marland - [Child] of Edward Marland & Elizabeth
Abode: Fletcher Street
Occupation: Brick Maker
Baptised by: R Nicholson
Register: Baptisms 1846 - 1880, Page 134, Entry 1072
Source: LDS Film 1517689

Dea x

P.S. - from what MC has posted, it look like Elizabeth was better off without him !

Dea x

Thanks astra :-)

There was also another daughter with her in the workhouse in 1891. Sarah Ellen. Her birth was registered in the December quarter of 1890 and her death was registered in the June quarter of 1891.

Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
Marland Sarah Ellen Burnley 8e 211

Deaths Jun 1891 (>99%)
Marland Sarah Ellen 0 Burnley 8e 203

Hi astra
Well it seems she now considers herself married to maybe John Smith? I wonder then if James was actually John Smith's child

Despite the baptism record to the contrary. Would be interesting to see what was actually on the birth certificate..perhaps she didn't find out about Sarah until after James was born..who knows...
Thankyou for that information from the census..seems atleastvthat it is the correct elizabeth and correct death in 1912. It's a shame it's a public grave .

:-(

1911

Name: Elezbeth Marlin
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Burnley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Burnley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Stephenson Sq
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: House Kepher
Registration district: Burnley
Registration District Number: 472
Sub-registration district: West Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 24846
Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith 58
Elezbeth Marlin 57
James Marlin 19


and the original marriage

Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)

Malin Edward Burnley 8e 304
Wilkinson Elizabeth Burnley 8e 304

Elizabeth notes herself as widow in 1901 and married in 1911. Also on 1911 married 22 years 1 child born and 1 living.

Thanks Marie Celeste..maybe elizabeth was glad he had found someone else if this is how he was. Thankyou. Yes...would like to delete the duplicate posts..Will see if I can manage it.

Shirley, don't know if these are your Edward Marland but thought I'd post them just in case. From newspaper archives:

Burnley Gazette 21 November 1874
Edward Marland was charged with brutally assaulting his wife. The presiding magistrate sent him to gaol for two months with hard labour. (No address or wife's name)

Burnley Express 04 June 1881
Edward Marland, labourer of Nelson, on the evidence P.C. Thornton, was fined 5s. and costs, for having been drunk on the 22nd ult.
(Several more like this)

You could, if you wished, delete your duplicate posts.

Just looking again...I suppose, even though James was baptised as Edwards child..there is no proof edward is the father unless I see the birth certificate..if she was living with this John Smith he may have been her partner. I am assuming edward was the one in the wrong..but I suppose he and Elizabeth May have been happy with the situation. And maybe even Sarah was aware of the situation...if it is correct that edward was married to both women. It definitely needs more work and proofs.
Thanks for all your help

Hi dea
Alice and Elizabeth are together in the work house on one of the census. I don't think the Preston one will be my elizabeth. It's not near burnley at all really. They only moved the registers there recently...I think he was definitely with two women at the same time. He wasn't telling the truth about being a widow at his marriage.
In fact he went on to have James in 1892 with elizabeth after his marriage to Sarah.
I am going to try track down how it can be proved he was living two lives. Maybe elizabeth knew what he was doing and accepted it?
The Stephenson square one is the right area..think I will need to get her death certificate to see who the informant was.
Thanks for all your hard work...I'm going to print it all off and double check because maybe I have missed something somewhere.
Thankyou

:-)

Hi dea
Alice and Elizabeth are together in the work house on one of the census. I don't think the Preston one will be my elizabeth. It's not near burnley at all really. They only moved the registers there recently...I think he was definitely with two women at the same time. He wasn't telling the truth about being a widow at his marriage.
In fact he went on to have James in 1892 with elizabeth after his marriage to Sarah.
I am going to try track down how it can be proved he was living two lives. Maybe elizabeth knew what he was doing and accepted it?
The Stephenson square one is the right area..think I will need to get her death certificate to see who the informant was.
Thanks for all your hard work...I'm going to print it all off and double check because maybe I have missed something somewhere.
Thankyou

:-)

There were at least two births for Marland/Wilkinson:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MARLAND Alice Burnley Preston WILKINSON BU/184/65

Births 1892:
MARLAND James Burnley Preston WILKINSON BU/206/34



This appears to be the family on 1901 but no Edward:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
ELIZA MARLAND HEAD WIDOW Female 46 1855 - BURNLEY, LANCASHIRE
ALICE MARLAND DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 12 1889 - BURNLEY, LANCASHIRE
JAMES MARLAND SON - Male 7 1894 - BURNLEY, LANCASHIRE
JOHN SMITH BOARDER SINGLE Male 45 1856 GENERAL CARTER BLACKBURN, LANCASHIRE
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First name(s) JAMES
Last name MARLAND
Relationship to head SON
Marital condition -
Gender Male
Age 7
Birth year 1894
Occupation -
Birth town BURNLEY
Birth county LANCASHIRE
Birth place -
House number 26
House name -
Street BARRACKS ROAD
Parish BURNLEY
Town -
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Municipal ward GANNOW
Parliamentary borough BURNLEY
Registration district BURNLEY
Series RG13
Piece number 3872
Folio number 172
Page 12
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
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'That' Eliza is down as a widow??


This looks like little Alice in 1891 but I can't find Eliza at the moment:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First name(s) ALICE
Last name MARLAND
Relationship INMATE
Marital condition -
Gender Female
Age 2
Birth year 1889
Occupation -
Birth town BURNLEY
Birth county LANCASHIRE
Birth place WORKHOUSE
House name -
Street -
Parish BURNLEY
Town -
City BURNLEY
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Municipal ward ST ANDREW
Parliamentary borough BURNLEY
Ecclesiastical disctrict ST ANDREW BURNLEY
Registration district BURNLEY
Enumeration district 71
Series RG12
Piece number 3372
Folio number 121
Page 9


Dea x

According to LancsBMD she died in Burnley West (registers in Preston), so it could well be this one:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
ELIZABETH MARLAND HEAD MARRIED Female 57 1854 PRESTON LANCASHIRE -
ELLEN MARLAND DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 30 1881 PRESTON LANCASHIRE WEAVER IN A COTTON MILL
ELIZABETH MARLAND DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 24 1887 PRESTON LANCASHIRE WINDER IN A COTTON MILL
ETHEL MARLAND DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 20 1891 PRESTON LANCASHIRE MICA CUTTER
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First name(s) ELIZABETH
Last name MARLAND
Relationship HEAD
Marital condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Age 57
Birth year 1854
Birth place PRESTON LANCASHIRE
Occupation -
Marriage year -
Years married -
Address 4 MILES STREET PRESTON
Parish PRESTON
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Registration district PRESTON
Registration district number 476
Subdistrict NORTH PRESTON
Subdistrict number 3
Enumeration district 12
Piece number 25285
Census reference RG14PN25285 RG78PN1447 RD476 SD3 ED12 SN210
Schedule 210
Census reference RG14
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain

Dea x

I can't find the address on 1911 census but the Elizabeth Marland you mentioned who died in 1912 was this one:

Burial: 23 Jan 1912 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Marland -
Age: 59yrs
Abode: 5 Stephenson Sq
Grave: 16658
Notes: Buried in a Public Grave
Gender: F
Register: Burials 1909 - 1914, Page 176, Entry 75570
Source: Original Registers Book 10

Dea x

This is where the info comes from - marriage to Sarah has him as a widower so we need to find a death for Elizabeth:

Marriage: 8 Nov 1889 St Luke, Brierfield, Lancashire, England
Edward Marland - (X), 32, Brickmaker, Widower, Brierfield
Sarah Robinson - 26, Winder, Spinster, Brierfield
Groom's Father: Joshua Marland, Brickmaker
Bride's Father: William Robinson, Labourer
Witness: William Robinson; Ellen Robinson
Married by Banns by: Edward Jobson Vicar
Notes: [Note in margin] In entgry No 171 Cols 2 and 7 and in the attestation, for
Marlin read Marland. Corrected on the 3rd Feb 1917 by me, Thomas Smith Vicar in the
presence of Edward Marland and Sarah Marland the partners married
Register: Marriages 1873 - 1900, Page 86, Entry 171
Source: LDS Film 1471023

LancsOPC site.

Dea x

Yes..James born 1892..baptised as edward and Elizabeth's child...even after he had married Sarah Robinson in brierfield in 1889. Elizabeth I think did not die until 1912...in 1917 edward and Sarah went to church to say mistake made on marriage certificate with Edwards name..not edward marlin or malin...seems suspicious to me .

No...just hoping I'm right with maiden name for elizabeth..his first wife...think they had another child together..maybe even two more..James, and first, elizabeth Ann. Think James born after his marriage to Sarah Robinson in 1889.