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Minnie sarah Colegate/Somers

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Mazfromnorf

Mazfromnorf Report 4 Jun 2014 13:45


This lady Is the first wife of George Herbert Colegate they marry in Tunbridge 1883,I cant find them in any census together or a death of her ,I wondered if the next marriages are Bigamus .My Aunty is doing Colegates and I am trying to help her with Brick walls ,she does not have a pc so we work together .
her name is spelt Summers for her birth in 1863
i would appreciate any help i can get the colegates travel about a fair ammount

Sirius

Sirius Report 4 Jun 2014 13:53

Not seeing another marriage? who do you think George's second wife was and do you have the cert to see if he was claiming to be a bachelor/widower on it please?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Jun 2014 13:56

For ref.

Name: George Herbert Colegate
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1883
Registration district: Tonbridge
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1065
Records on Page:
Name
George Herbert Colegate
Emma Doust
John James Hartridge
Minnie Sarah Somers

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jun 2014 13:59

Where was Minnie born?

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jun 2014 14:00

Is this a possibilty...

??

1881 England Census
about Minnie Coulcate
Name:Minnie Coulcate[Minnie Colegate]
Age:19
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1862
Relationship to Head:Servant
Gender:Female
Where born:Bexley Heath, Kent, England
Civil Parish:St Leonards Shoreditch
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:109 Haggerston Rd
Occupation:Domestic Servant
Registration district:Shoreditch
Sub-registration district:Haggerston

Household Members:

John Hacker 56
Dinah Hacker 44
Lavinia Hacker 22
Ella Dinah Hacker 13 (Ditto for Unmarried)
Horace Brown Hacker 5
Minnie Coulcate 19

Ooops no, forget that Maz. I see the marriage took place in 1883.




ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2014 14:02

How do you know which of the women on the page George married?

Why do you think he married twice?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2014 14:03

Her maiden name was NOT Colegate

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Jun 2014 14:05

Is this your George Herbert in 1911 please?

Name: George Herbert Colgate
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Willsborough, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Wokingham
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address: 3 Rose St, Wokingham, Berks
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Dealer
Registration district: Wokingham
Registration District Number: 122
Sub-registration district: Wokingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 418
Piece: 6614
Household Members:
Name Age
George Herbert Colgate 52
Elizabeth Jane Colgate 45
Emily Elizabeth Colgate 18
Annie Colgate 15
Herbert Edward Colgate 12
Mabel Jane Colgate 4

Sirius

Sirius Report 4 Jun 2014 14:05

The other man named on the same page J J Hartridge married Emma.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2014 14:06

Births Jun 1863 (>99%)
SUMMERS Minnie Sarah Tunbridge 2a 473

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2014 14:07

Thanks, Sirius

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2014 14:09

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
Colgate George Herbert E Ashford 2a 496

Potty

Potty Report 4 Jun 2014 14:11

Is this George on 1891:

1891 England Census
Alice Colegate

Age:32
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1859
Relation:Wfe
Spouse's Name:George H Colegate
Gender:Female
Where born:Pett, Sussex, England
Civil Parish:Pett
Ecclesiastical parish:Pett
Town:Pett
County/Island:Sussex
Country:England

George H Colegate 34
Alice Colegate 32
William G Colegate 6
Maude A Colegate 3

to tie up with this marriage:
Alice Hills

Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1884
Registration district:Hastings
Inferred County:Sussex
Volume Number:2b
Page Number:65

George Henry Colegate
John William Batchelor
Alice Hills
Margaret Wyllie


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Jun 2014 14:12

Same family in 1901

Name: George H Colgate
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Elizabeth J Colgate
Birth Place: Wilsbourgh, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1183
Folio: 140
Page Number: 34
Household schedule number: 233
Household Members:
Name Age
George H Colgate 42
Elizabeth J Colgate 35
Emily E Colgate 8
Annie Colgate 5
Herbert E Colgate 2
Violet L Colgate 1 8 Months

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2014 14:14

Fuller info on the 1891 posted above

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
GEORGE H COLEGATE HEAD MARRIED Male 34 1857 BRICKLAYER SUSSEX Image Transcription
ALICE COLEGATE WIFE MARRIED Female 32 1859 - SUSSEX Image Transcription
WILLIAM G COLEGATE SON - Male 6 1885 SCHOLAR SUSSEX Image Transcription
MAUDE A COLEGATE DAUGHTER - Female 3 1888 - SUSSEX

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2014 14:17

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)
Batchelor John William Hastings 2b 65
Colegate George Henry Hastings 2b 65
Hills Alice Hastings 2b 65
WYLLIE Margaret Hastings 2b 65

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Jun 2014 14:20

I think we need to know how the poster got back to George Herbert.

Can you tell us some details about his children please?

Potty

Potty Report 4 Jun 2014 14:25

What are the father's names and occupations on the marriage cert?

Potty

Potty Report 4 Jun 2014 14:28

Whoops! Just noticed that the George who married Alice was Henry not Herbert, so the one married to Elizabeth looks like the right one.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2014 14:32

We need feedback - with facts.....at the moment it's all guesswork