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Thanks ArgyllGran. It's strange that they're on a different page - maybe in the US they add people who usually live in the household. Since it's 1940 do you think they could both be in the military? I know that Harold M. joined the military and was in the UK where he met and married his wife in 1944.
It's a very confusing family.

in 1940, Harold and brother Wilbur are listed separately from their parents. I mean, they're in the same household, but listed out of sequence, on another page.

Parents:


1940 United States Federal Census about Henry H Oliver
Name: Henry H Oliver
Respondent: Yes
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Canada English
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Forest West
House Number: 1246
Inferred Residence in 1935: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Citizenship: Having First Papers
Sheet Number: 5B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 113
Occupation: Farmer
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 20.00
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 2nd year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 24
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 18
Income: 500
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry H Oliver 43
Anna Oliver 37 - born Germany
Anna Oliver 17


Harold & Wilbur - transcription's a mess on Ancestry (surprise!) - they're transcribed as being in the same household as people with surnames Hicks and Boswell, but they're a different household, so I've deleted them here - :


1940 United States Federal Census about Harold Oliver
Name: Harold Oliver
Temporarily Absent: Yes (both Harold & Wilbur are described as temporarily absent - wonder where they were!)
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1922
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Michigan
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
Home in 1940: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
House Number: 4743 (Mistranscribed; should be 1246)
Inferred Residence in 1935: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Sheet Number: 61A
Occupation: New Worker
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 3rd year
Duration of Unemployment: 52
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Wilbur Oliver 19 - son - retail grocery clerk
Harold Oliver 18 - son

Thanks Margee. I've contacted a couple of people with trees on Ancestry so it'll be interesting to see what they come back with. Considering I had almost nothing to go on when I started this, it's now becoming quite a picture thanks to you. Harold Marshall Oliver still remains a bit of a mystery though - wish I could find his death.
Thanks

Just to confuse things further, a tree on Ancestry says that Myrtle Willard's sister, Ethel Mildred (Millie) married Henry Oliver's brother, William Francis. The poster must have a close connection, there are photos of Midred & William Francis and also of their son Kenneth Henry Oliver.

There are also attestation papers for Henry Huggard Oliver who was born 25 May 1871, Guelph. He gives name of next-of-kin as wife Isabel Emma Oliver, 9 Strange St., Guelph. He enlisted 27 Dec. 1915.

I've just seen a death for Myrtle G. Willard in a tree on Ancestry. The death is given as 10 Nov 1924 in Wayne, Michigan. There's also a marriage to Anna in 1926 in Wayne, Michigan, so it looks as though I\we are on the right track. The info is on a couple of trees but the children of Harry/Henry and Myrtle and Anna are private - have sent off requests. One tree also shows a death for Anna in 1952 in Michigan but no details. There are also no marriage details so I don't have Anna's surname before marriage but going back to Margee's comment at the beginning of this thread, Anna could've been married before. It's so confusing.

Now I'm totally confused ... going to have to sit with pen and paper, the Luddite way, and try to make some sense of all this. I've just been looking at a tree on Ancestry and it seems that the whole male line has been Harry, Harold or Henry, just to confuse me even more.
I also can't get my head around enlisting in the Canadian military then his draft into the US military, or am I mis-reading that?
Then, I go back to the beginning of my thread and wonder what happened to Margaret/Myrtle after 1920 US census.
Thanks for all this info.

Then there's this draft registration in USA. He registered 21 May 1916.

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Henry H Oliver Name: Henry H Oliver
City: Detroit
County: Wayne
State: Michigan
Birthplace: Ontario,Canada
Birth Date: 16 May 1894
Race: Caucasian (White)
Draft Board: 5

Another sister:


Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Hannah Ida Bell Oliver
Name: Hannah Ida Bell Oliver
Date of Birth: 13 Apr 1892
Gender: Female
Birth County or District: Wellington
Father's Name: Henry Huzgard Oliver
Mother's name: Bella E Fairburn
Archive Name: Archives of Ontario
Archive Series: MS929
Archive Reel: 113

On the basis of Margee's posting of 1911 census, Henry Huggard is the same person as Harry Henry.
Same address in Guelph.

A sister of Henry Huggard:


Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about May Rowena Oliver
Name: May Rowena Oliver
Date of Birth: 15 Dec 1893
Gender: Female
Birth County or District: Wellington
Father's Name: Henry H Oliver
Mother's name: Bella E Fairburn
Archive Name: Archives of Ontario
Archive Series: MS929
Archive Reel: 124

The one who enlisted says he's not married.

His address was 9 Strange Street, Guelph., which was also his father's address.
[EDIT: Same address as 1911 posted above.]
He's an auto trimmer.

But is Harry Henry Oliver the same person as Henry Huggard Oliver?

I'm totally confused!

The right family in 1911?

1911 Census of Canada
about Henry Oliver Name: Henry Oliver
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 41
Birth Date: May 1870
Birthplace: Ontario
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella Oliver
Tribal: Irish
Province: Ontario
District: Wellington South
District Number: 134
Sub-District: Guelph
Sub-District Number: 38
Place of Habitation: 9 Stranger
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Oliver 41
Isabella Oliver 44
Maurie Oliver 17
Harry Oliver 15
Annie Oliver 12
William Oliver 9
Isabel Oliver 3

Here's the birth of the one who married Margaret:


Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Henry Huggard Oliver
Name: Henry Huggard Oliver
Date of Birth: 16 May 1896
Gender: Male
Birth County or District: Wellington
Father's Name: Henry Huggard Oliver
Mother's name: Isabella E Fairburn
Archive Name: Archives of Ontario
Archive Series: MS929
Archive Reel: 135

So, assuming it's the same person who enlisted in 1916, the enlistment record has his YOB wrong by one year.

So to recap - if we've got the right Henry /Harry:

he enlisted on 2 Feb 1916, married on 17 Feb 1916, and went to Detroit in May 1916?

The one who married Margaret Willard in 1916 is called Henry in the marriage record, and Margaret's father is Albert. One would think that either the registrar was having a really bad day for mistakes, or this is a different couple.

But both M Willards are born in Detroit in 1898; their mothers have very similar first names (Lessa / Dessa); both Harry and Henry are born in Guelph - too many concidences to be different people.

Perhaps he was escorting Myrtle home to Detroit, so that she could stay with her parents while he was away in the Army?

Thanks Margee - it does seem to be the same one. It's strange that he enlisted in Canadian military then moved to US.

Curiously this Harry Henry Oliver enlisted 2 Feb. 1916. Is he the one who married 2 weeks later and then moved to USA 3 months later?

Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
about Harry Henry Oliver Jr Name: Harry Henry Oliver Jr
Residence: Guelph, Ontario
Birth Date: 16 May 1895
Birth Location: Guelph, Wellington Co, Ontario
Relative: Harry H Oliver Sr
Relationship: Father
Regiment Number: 928506

Thanks for all this info ... don't know how you guys do it but you never cease to amaze me. I'll have to digest the info you've given me and see where it fits in ... too many Harrys at first reading! Guelph, Ontario, is definitely in the picture so it's looking pretty good.
Thanks so much.

1910 United States Federal Census about Myrtle G Willard
Name: Myrtle G Willard
Age in 1910: 11
Birth Year: abt 1899
Birthplace: Michigan
Home in 1910: Detroit Ward 6, Wayne, Michigan
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Richard W Willard
Father's Birthplace: Michigan
Mother's name: Jesse G Willard
Mother's Birthplace: Canada
[Canada English]
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard W Willard 38
Jesse G Willard 36 (looks like Jessa on image)
Wilber C Willard 16
Inez R Willard 14
Myrtle G Willard 11
Ethel M Willard 8
Flossie G Willard 4



1900 United States Federal Census about Myrtle G Willard
Name: Myrtle G Willard
Age: 1
Birth Date: Oct 1899
Birthplace: Michigan
Home in 1900: Detroit Ward 10, Wayne, Michigan
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Richard Willard
Father's Birthplace: Michigan
Mother's name: Dessa G Willard
Mother's Birthplace: Canada, England
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Willard 28
Dessa G Willard 26
Wilber C Willard 6
Inis E Willard 4
Myrtle G Willard 1
Mellie M Willard 59
Cyrus Claflin 64

Or maybe this is her. Mother's name could be the same as Margaret's mother, depending on transcription, but father is Richard, not Albert:


Michigan, Births and Christenings Index, 1867-1911 about Myrtle Willard
Name: Myrtle Willard
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1898
Father's Name: Richard Willard
Father's Birth Place: Michigan
Mother's name: Lessa Willard
Mother's Birth Place: Canada
Comments: 14th Ward
FHL Film Number: 1377675