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Yvonne
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2 Jun 2014 20:17 |
I added this to my previous thread but It doesn't really tie in with my original request, so I'm doing it as a separate thread here. In trying to find more info on Harold Marshall Oliver, I looked at the US census to see if I could find his family. In the 1930 US census I found an H. M. Oliver with parents Harry H. Oliver and Anna Oliver, and siblings. It gives his father born in Canada and his mother born in Yugoslavia. Assuming this is the correct family I looked at the 1940 census and found his parents and one of his siblings but no Harold. I suspect he was overseas as we know he was in the Canadian military during the war and met and married his wife in England. I then looked at the 1920 census to see if Harold's parents were in the USA but the only Harry Oliver I could find was married to a Myrtle (born in Michigan). It gives Harry born in Canada, with same occupation and living with them are two of the children shown in the 1930 census. If this is the correct family and not just a big coincidence, what happened to Myrtle and when did Anna come into the picture. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated.
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MargaretM
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2 Jun 2014 20:48 |
According to that 1930 census Harry H. and Anna were both aged 18 at the time of their first marriage so evidently not married to each other.
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MargaretM
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2 Jun 2014 20:58 |
Harry H. Jr. and wife Myrtle entering USA at Buffalo, NY. Harry gives name of his father as Harry H., Guelph, Ontario:
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956 about Harry H Oliver Junior Name: Harry H Oliver Junior Arrival Date: 24 May 1916 Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan, USA Residence Country: Canada Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1895 Birth Country: Canada Gender: Male Race/Nationality: Irish Record Type: Manifests Line Number: 7
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MargaretM
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2 Jun 2014 21:10 |
A tree on Ancestry says that he married Myrtle Willard 17 Feb. 1916, Ontario. This looka like the marriage but her name is Margaret:
Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 about Margaret Willard Name: Margaret Willard Birth Place: Detroit, Michigan Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Father Name: Albert Willard Mother Name: Dessa Hillborn Spouse Name: Henry Oliver Spouse's Age: 21 Spouse Birth Year: abt 1895 Spouse Birth Place: Euelph Spouse Father Name: Henry Oliver Spouse Mother Name: Isabel Emma Fairburn Oliver Marriage Date: 17 Feb 1916 Marriage County or District: Wellington
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jun 2014 21:14 |
Here's the other half of that border crossing entry posted by Margee, re Myrtle:
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956 about Myrtle Oliver Name: Myrtle Oliver Arrival Date: 24 May 1916 Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan, USA Residence Country: Canada Age: 18 Birth Date: abt 1898 Birth Country: USA Gender: Female Race/Nationality: English Record Type: Manifests Line Number: 8
She also gives Harry's father's name as that of the "nearest relative or friend in the country whence alien came."
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jun 2014 21:19 |
Looks like the marriage to Margaret Willard is the right one. [EDIT: Well, maybe - see next post.] She must have just been known as Myrtle:
Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957 about Harry H Oliver Name: Harry H Oliver Arrival Date: 22 May 1916 Birthplace: Guelph Ont Gender: Male Race/Nationality: Irish Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan Accompanied By: Wife Myrtle Departure Contact: Father Harry H Oliver Sr Arrival Contact: Mother-in-law Mrs Willard <<<<<<<< Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_73
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jun 2014 21:21 |
Or maybe this is her. Mother's name could be the same as Margaret's mother, depending on transcription, but father is Richard, not Albert:
Michigan, Births and Christenings Index, 1867-1911 about Myrtle Willard Name: Myrtle Willard Gender: Female Race: White Birth Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan Birth Date: 18 Oct 1898 Father's Name: Richard Willard Father's Birth Place: Michigan Mother's name: Lessa Willard Mother's Birth Place: Canada Comments: 14th Ward FHL Film Number: 1377675
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jun 2014 21:47 |
1910 United States Federal Census about Myrtle G Willard Name: Myrtle G Willard Age in 1910: 11 Birth Year: abt 1899 Birthplace: Michigan Home in 1910: Detroit Ward 6, Wayne, Michigan Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Daughter Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Richard W Willard Father's Birthplace: Michigan Mother's name: Jesse G Willard Mother's Birthplace: Canada [Canada English] Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Richard W Willard 38 Jesse G Willard 36 (looks like Jessa on image) Wilber C Willard 16 Inez R Willard 14 Myrtle G Willard 11 Ethel M Willard 8 Flossie G Willard 4
1900 United States Federal Census about Myrtle G Willard Name: Myrtle G Willard Age: 1 Birth Date: Oct 1899 Birthplace: Michigan Home in 1900: Detroit Ward 10, Wayne, Michigan Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Daughter Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Richard Willard Father's Birthplace: Michigan Mother's name: Dessa G Willard Mother's Birthplace: Canada, England Occupation: View on Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Richard Willard 28 Dessa G Willard 26 Wilber C Willard 6 Inis E Willard 4 Myrtle G Willard 1 Mellie M Willard 59 Cyrus Claflin 64
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Yvonne
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2 Jun 2014 22:13 |
Thanks for all this info ... don't know how you guys do it but you never cease to amaze me. I'll have to digest the info you've given me and see where it fits in ... too many Harrys at first reading! Guelph, Ontario, is definitely in the picture so it's looking pretty good. Thanks so much.
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MargaretM
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3 Jun 2014 01:17 |
Curiously this Harry Henry Oliver enlisted 2 Feb. 1916. Is he the one who married 2 weeks later and then moved to USA 3 months later?
Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 about Harry Henry Oliver Jr Name: Harry Henry Oliver Jr Residence: Guelph, Ontario Birth Date: 16 May 1895 Birth Location: Guelph, Wellington Co, Ontario Relative: Harry H Oliver Sr Relationship: Father Regiment Number: 928506
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Yvonne
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3 Jun 2014 01:52 |
Thanks Margee - it does seem to be the same one. It's strange that he enlisted in Canadian military then moved to US.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2014 11:59 |
So to recap - if we've got the right Henry /Harry:
he enlisted on 2 Feb 1916, married on 17 Feb 1916, and went to Detroit in May 1916?
The one who married Margaret Willard in 1916 is called Henry in the marriage record, and Margaret's father is Albert. One would think that either the registrar was having a really bad day for mistakes, or this is a different couple.
But both M Willards are born in Detroit in 1898; their mothers have very similar first names (Lessa / Dessa); both Harry and Henry are born in Guelph - too many concidences to be different people.
Perhaps he was escorting Myrtle home to Detroit, so that she could stay with her parents while he was away in the Army?
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2014 12:05 |
Here's the birth of the one who married Margaret:
Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Henry Huggard Oliver Name: Henry Huggard Oliver Date of Birth: 16 May 1896 Gender: Male Birth County or District: Wellington Father's Name: Henry Huggard Oliver Mother's name: Isabella E Fairburn Archive Name: Archives of Ontario Archive Series: MS929 Archive Reel: 135
So, assuming it's the same person who enlisted in 1916, the enlistment record has his YOB wrong by one year.
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MargaretM
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3 Jun 2014 12:13 |
The right family in 1911?
1911 Census of Canada about Henry Oliver Name: Henry Oliver Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 41 Birth Date: May 1870 Birthplace: Ontario Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Isabella Oliver Tribal: Irish Province: Ontario District: Wellington South District Number: 134 Sub-District: Guelph Sub-District Number: 38 Place of Habitation: 9 Stranger Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Henry Oliver 41 Isabella Oliver 44 Maurie Oliver 17 Harry Oliver 15 Annie Oliver 12 William Oliver 9 Isabel Oliver 3
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2014 12:14 |
The one who enlisted says he's not married.
His address was 9 Strange Street, Guelph., which was also his father's address. [EDIT: Same address as 1911 posted above.] He's an auto trimmer.
But is Harry Henry Oliver the same person as Henry Huggard Oliver?
I'm totally confused!
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2014 12:16 |
A sister of Henry Huggard:
Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about May Rowena Oliver Name: May Rowena Oliver Date of Birth: 15 Dec 1893 Gender: Female Birth County or District: Wellington Father's Name: Henry H Oliver Mother's name: Bella E Fairburn Archive Name: Archives of Ontario Archive Series: MS929 Archive Reel: 124
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2014 12:19 |
On the basis of Margee's posting of 1911 census, Henry Huggard is the same person as Harry Henry. Same address in Guelph.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2014 12:21 |
Another sister:
Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Hannah Ida Bell Oliver Name: Hannah Ida Bell Oliver Date of Birth: 13 Apr 1892 Gender: Female Birth County or District: Wellington Father's Name: Henry Huzgard Oliver Mother's name: Bella E Fairburn Archive Name: Archives of Ontario Archive Series: MS929 Archive Reel: 113
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MargaretM
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3 Jun 2014 13:02 |
Then there's this draft registration in USA. He registered 21 May 1916.
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Henry H Oliver Name: Henry H Oliver City: Detroit County: Wayne State: Michigan Birthplace: Ontario,Canada Birth Date: 16 May 1894 Race: Caucasian (White) Draft Board: 5
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Yvonne
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3 Jun 2014 15:09 |
Now I'm totally confused ... going to have to sit with pen and paper, the Luddite way, and try to make some sense of all this. I've just been looking at a tree on Ancestry and it seems that the whole male line has been Harry, Harold or Henry, just to confuse me even more. I also can't get my head around enlisting in the Canadian military then his draft into the US military, or am I mis-reading that? Then, I go back to the beginning of my thread and wonder what happened to Margaret/Myrtle after 1920 US census. Thanks for all this info.
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