Hi Anita,
This looks to be Emmeline in 1891 census
Name: Emmaline Dunk Event Type: Census Event Date: 1891 Gender: Female Age: 24 Relationship to Head of Household: Servant Birthplace: Milton, Kent Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Dartford Sub-District: Dartford Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity Parish: Dartford County: Kent
BUT although she is in the ecclesiastical parish of Holy Trinity there does not seem to be a marriage for her and James in these church records.
Children of James Henry & Emmeline WHITE baptised there were: (apart from Annie already given)
22nd April1896 James Henry, Abode, 11 Overy Street, father's occ: Brewer's Drayman
20th June 1897 Queenie Blanche, Abode, 11 Overy Street, father's occ: Labourer
9th August 1899 William John, Abode 11 Nelsons Place, Overy Street, father's occ: Labourer
19th September 1900 Frederick Harold, Abode, 12 Vauxhall Place, father's occ: Labourer
31st December 1902 Ivy May, abode, 12 Vauxhall Place, father's occ: Labourer
23rd March 1904 Jack, abode, 12 Vauxhall Place, father's occ: Labourer
7th October 1908 Dorothy Mabel abode, 12 Vauxhall Place, father's occ: Labourer
James Henry died aged 2 months and was buried on 6th June 1896
William John died aged 3 weeks and was buried on 21st August 1899
Ivy May died aged 2 months and was buried on 13th February 1903
There was a burial for a Daisy White aged 8 days on 24th January 1894 which could be the other child (9 children born, 4 having died, according to Gins re the 1911 census).
Death reg for Emmeline White:
Deaths Jun 1953 Dartford 5b 379 Emmeline White Aged 85
I suspect that this is James White in the 1871 census
James White in household of James White, "England and Wales Census, 1871" Name: James White Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Male Age: 2 Relationship to Head of Household: Son Birthplace: Dartford, Kent Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Dartford Sub-District: Dartford Parish: Wilmington County: Kent Household Gender Age Birthplace Self James White M 25 Hawley, Kent Wife Mary White F 21 Dartford, Kent Daughter Jane White F 5 Dartford, Kent Son James White M 2 Dartford, Kent Daughter Louisa White F 1 Hawley, Kent
He was baptised in Wilmington in 1871 (12th Nov same day as brother John, born in 1871)
SAME FAMILY IN 1881 CENSUS:
James White, "England and Wales Census, 1881" Name: James White Age (Original): 39 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1842 Birthplace: Wilmington, Kent, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: Labourer In Brickfield Address: 77 Lowfield St Event Place: Dartford, Kent, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341205 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 865 / 112 Page Number: 14 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head James White M 39 Wilmington, Kent, England Wife Mary White F 33 Dartford, Kent, England Daughter Jane White F 15 Dartford, Kent, England Son James White M 13 Dartford, Kent, England Daughter Louisa White F 11 Wilmington, Kent, England Son Harry White M 5 Wilmington, Kent, England
but can't be sure so it might be worth buying the marriage certificate for James Henry White and Emmeline Dunk to confirm James Henry's father.
Chris
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Many thanks everyone, you are al so fantastic! going to add this all in to my tree and then start ordering the certificates to put into my Family Tree book :-D
I just can't thank you all enough!!!
Anita xxxx (big kisses all round)
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This is the most likely death for Annie Louisa, wonder who registered it?
Annie Louise Scott Birth Date:1 Nov 1906 Date of Registration:Jul 1988 Age at Death:81 Registration district:Gravesend Inferred County:Kent Volume:16 Page:732
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Raymonds grandmothers baptism
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Emiline Dunk
Gender:Female
Baptism Date:29 Mar 1868
Baptism Place:Milton-next-Sittingbourne, Kent, England
Father: William Dunk
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number:1473711
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1911 England Census
Name:Annie White
Age in 1911:4
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1907
Relation to Head:Daughter
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Dartford, Kent, England
Civil Parish:Dartford
County/Island:Kent
Street address: 83 Lowfield Street, Dartford
Registration district:Dartford
Registration District Number:43
Sub-registration district:Dartford
ED, institution, or vessel:7
Household schedule number:15
Piece:3769
Household Members:
James White 43 Labourer Emmeline White 45 <<<<9 children, 4 died Queenie White 14 Frederick White 10 Jack White 7 Annie White 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<mother for Raymond Dorothy White 2
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Great find Chris :-D Think that seals it. Your original find for a birth looks to be spot on.
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This looks like the marriage reg for James & Emmeline:
Marriages Dec 1891 Couchman Frederick Dartford 2a 850 Dunk Emmeline Dartford 2a 850<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Turner Sarah Ann Dartford 2a 850 White James Henry Dartford 2a 850<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Thanks Gins, I must confess it took me a while to get my head around it.
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Nice one Chris!
I've never got my head around City Ark, tried to search looking for the info that you have found and still can't get anywhere!
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Just in case it's relevant, that was her brother & sister witnessing the marriage. They are on the 1911 census together - and although James is not listed with second name, he signed the form James Henry. Her mother was Emmaline.
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County Kent Place Dartford Church Holy Trinity Pr RegisterNumber 416 MarriageDate 01 Aug 1931 GroomForename Walter William Frederick GroomSurname SCOTT GroomAge 35 GroomParish GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation Handyman GroomAbode Lowfield St. BrideForename Annie Louisa BrideSurname WHITE BrideAge 23 BrideParish BrideCondition Spinster BrideOccupation BrideAbode Norman Rd. GroomFatherForename Arthur GroomFatherSurname SCOTT GroomFatherOccupation Handyman BrideFatherForename James Henry BrideFatherSurname WHITE BrideFatherOccupation Lamp Attendant WitnessOneForename Frederick H WitnessOneSurname WHITE WitnessTwoForename Dorothy Mable WitnessTwoSurname WHITE
(if relating, from below)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Chris :)
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Probate record for the death posted by Reggie:
Walter Frederick William Scott Probate Date:1 Jul 1963 Death Date:30 May 1963 Death Place:Kent, England Registry:London, England
"Otherwise Walter William Frederick, of 12 Walnut Tree Ave, Wilmington. Probate to Annie Louisa Scott, widow. £168 3s.
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Possible half-sister born in 1934..............see freebmd
On ER under married name up to 2009
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Deaths Jun 1963 (>99%) SCOTT WALTER F W 68 DARTFORD 5B 452
Births Jun 1895 (>99%) Scott Walter Frederick W St. Saviour 1d 173
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First name(s) RAYMOND VICTOR Last name SCOTT Gender Male Birth day 21 Birth month 12 Birth year 1926 Age - Death quarter 2 Death year 1993 District GRAVESEND District number 5621A County Kent Country England Volume - Page - Entry number 067 DOR 493
The DOB would fit with a JFM 1927 registration................it looks as though Chris has found the answer..........he was illegitimate
Who did he name as his father when he married?
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Maybe if you give us the facts as to how you got back to him, we might be able to see the bigger picture, and help you
:-)
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This might be a possibility???
Birth: Raymond V White Mar Q 1927 Dartford 2a 1016 Mother's maiden name WHITE
Marriage: Sep Q 1931 Scott Walter W F White Dartford 2a 2217
White Annie L Scott Dartford 2a 2217
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Thanks everyone for the details on Samuel R V Scott, not whom I am looking for then.
Our Raymond married May Smoker in 1953 in Dartford. Keith, my son in law has spoken to his dad but he doesn't know who his grandfather was, or of any uncles/aunts on his fathers side. Although we've got him writing down everything he can remember.
Still appreciate any help, as I don't want to order lots of birth certificates as they are quite expensive, I'd rather order the correct one!
Anita x
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