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Transcribed in Register as follows....


1894 ST JOSEPH's RC Church

CATHERINE (CATHARINAM) NEWALL and THOMAS (THOMAM) LYONS

;-) Don't you just love the variations :-D

So it was Down as Lyon not Lyons and Newall not Newell.....that would have helped :-D

Here you go Jax, it just struck luck that their marriage showed up on Ancestry catholic marriages:


Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)
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Lyon Thomas Liverpool 8b274
Melia Maria Liverpool 8b274
Newall Catherine Liverpool 8b274
Walsh Richard John Liverpool 8b274

Wish I knew this was a Catholic marriage last night.....but still could not see it in the index??

So Jacob the witness says Jacobo on the image is latin for James

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Atherton/sacredheart/mnotes.html

If the family thought he was older than he really was, this could be his catholic burial at Ford Cemetery:


Thomas Lyons
Birth Year:abt 1862
Age:79
Death Year:abt 1941
Burial Date:11 Jan 1941
Parish:Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England

His address or place of death was St Joseph's Home.

I think Thomas was still alive when Catherine died in 1940 (if I've got the right death) Civilian war deaths:


Catherine Lyons
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1869
Death Date:5 Sep 1940
Death Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Age at Death:71
Spouse:T Lyons

She is recorded as wife (not widow) of T Lyons of 91 Hartup Street, she died at Stanley Hospital.

Hi, in your opening post you say he died in 1933 (you think) - is this info you have got from one of his children? It's just you originally thought he was born c1862, but if it is the right family in 1911 then the dates are a bit out.

Added: I'm assuming you are descended from one of Thomas's children - do you know if Thomas stayed in Liverpool?

thankyou everyone going to speak to my mother and digest all this info thankyou again :-D

Patrick's mother appears to have remarried (catholic marriages):


Bridget Lynes
Marriage Date:16 Jun 1850
Parish:St Anthony, Lancashire, England
Spouse's Name:Patrick Conolly
Father's Name:Stephen Howly
Mother's name:Mary Howly
Spouse Father's Name:Thomas Conolly
Spouse Mother's Name:Ellen Conolly

They are on the 1851 census, the address is Howard Street -


Bridget Connoly
Age:36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:Patrick Connoly
Gender:Female
Where born:Ireland
Civil Parish:Liverpool
Town:Liverpool
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district:Liverpool
Sub-registration district:Howard Street
D, institution, or vessel:1h
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:125
Piece:2178
Folio:220
Page Number:37
Household Members:NameAge
Patrick Connoly 35
Bridget Connoly 36
Patrick Lyons 16 (step son)
Miche Lyons 18

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915



Name:Patrick Lyons

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831

Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1883

Age at Death:52

Registration district:Liverpool

Inferred County:Lancashire

Volume:8b

Page:122a


You need the certificate to check the informants name

Edit: Just checked the censuses and Pat* is last seen in 1881 so this death is a good bet

From catholic marriages:

Patrick Lyons
Marriage Date:28 Jun 1859
Parish:St Anthony, Lancashire, England
Spouse's Name:Mary Walsh
Father's Name:Michl
Mother's name:Bridget
Spouse Father's Name:Patrick
Spouse Mother's Name:Mary

I think the 1881 census posted by Jax is the right family - so you could do with finding them 1871 see if Maria was still alive

Also christened at same church, with these parents was Catharina (dob 13/3/1862) & Jowbus (20/12/1863)

Whare are you trying to go, back from Patrick or forward?

This looks like his sibling.............James



Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906


Name:Jowbus Lyons....also shows as James on the image

Birth Date:
20 Dec 1863

Baptism Date:
27 Dec 1863

Parish:
Holy Cross, Lancashire, England

Father's Name:
Patricii Lyons

Mother's name:
Maria Walsh

flip thats interesting
:-)

yes thats my family Jax and Flip i have that marriage register and i have the baptism of cathrine lyons 27 nov 1897 and that address is 44 berisford st. but how do i go about finding patrick?

Possible for Thomas - catholic baptism, but no godparents named:

Thomas Lyons
Birth Date:14 Aug 1865
Baptism Date:20 Aug 1865
Parish:Holy Cross, Lancashire, England
Father's Name:Patritii Lyons
Mother's name:Maria Walsh

i looked this record earlier it looks right but i have looked at so many names im beginning to think there all related. thankyou for looking for me , do you have any suggestions i could try im a bit rubbish at this.

Christening for their oldest son:


Thomas Patricuis Lyons
Birth Date:9 Mar 1895
Baptism Date:19 Mar 1895
Parish:St Brigid, Lancashire, England
Father's Name:Thomae Lyons
Mother's name:Catherinae Newall

Godparents were Joseph Newall & Ellena Tobin

added: that's the right family in 1911 Jax, christenings for most of those children give parents Thomas/Catherine Newall.