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21 May 2014 19:13 |
Hello, can anyone please help me with my great grandfather Robert J Bird, all the information I have found seems to conflict and as I am new to this I am not sure how to find out if I have the wrong info or the actual info is wrong (hope that makes sense)
He is listed on the 1901 Census with my grandmother Violet Mary Ann Bird (Aged 2) with a Birth year of 1859 and a Birth Town of Walton On Thames,
On the 1911 Census the Bird Family has been recorded as Birch and his wife Jane E is listed as married not widowed, however I can-not find any record of him at this time.
I found only one Birth Record in 1859 of a Robert Joseph Bird in Chertsey, and I have struggled to locate his record of death, I have found a Robert Joseph Bird who died in 1903 but his birth year is listed as 1849.
I have found a Robert J Bird who died in 1928 but this was in Devon ! His parents may have come from there but I am not sure as one census report which lists his name states he was born in Milton but after looking at the original it could read Walton.
My other issue is whilst I have found a birth of a Robert Joseph 1859 and a marriage of Robert Joseph 1891, on my grandmothers birth certificate he is listed as Robert John.
This is all very confusing :-S
How do I verify which is what and who is where ?
Thank you in advance if you can help.
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21 May 2014 19:27 |
1911 for info
Name: Jane E Bird Age in 1911: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Ham, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Fulham County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 3 Munster Residences, Fulham S W Marital Status: Married Years Married: 19
1901 for info Household Members:
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Robert Bird 42 Jane E Bird 43 Elizabeth Bird 8 Robert J Bird 5 Violet M A Bird 2 Jane E Eyles 16 daughter of wife James H Eyles 12 son of wife possible marriage info 20th Dec 1891 Robert Joseph Bird age33 batchelor Private West Riding Regiment father Joseph (dec) Hotel Waiter Jane Eyles age 33 widow father George Batchelor carman
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21 May 2014 19:29 |
Just for our information:
1911 England Census about Violet M A Bird Name: Violet M A Bird Age in 1911: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: FULHAM, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Fulham County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 3 Munster Residences, Fulham S W Occupation: SCHOOL Registration district: Fulham Registration District Number: 3 Sub-registration district: North West Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Piece: 282 Household Members: Name Age Jane E Bird 54 James H Eyles 22 - son Robert Bird 15 Violet M A Bird 12
1901 England Census about Jane E Bird Name: Jane E Bird Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Robert Bird Birth Place: Walton on Thames, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Fulham Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Fulham Sub-registration district: South Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 68 Folio: 96 Page Number: 59 Household schedule number: 332 Household Members: Name Age Robert Bird 42 Jane E Bird 43 Elizabeth Bird 8 Robert J Bird 5 Violet M A Bird 2 Jane E Eyles 16 - daughter James H Eyles 12 - son
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2014 19:36 |
Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) Bird Robert Joseph Fulham 1a 592 Eyles Jane Fulham 1a 592
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2014 19:45 |
On Ancestry, this Robert Bird in 1891 has the nearest YOB to 1859 of all the Robert Birds born in Surrey, and he happens to be Robert Joseph.
1891 England Census about Robert Joseph Bird Name: Robert Joseph Bird Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Private Gender: Male Where born: Kingston, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Halifax Ecclesiastical parish: Pellon Christchurch Town: Halifax County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Halifax ED, institution, or vessel: Depot West Riding Regiment Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3594 Folio: 176 Page Number: 7
(Lots of soldiers listed)
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jansmith
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21 May 2014 19:47 |
christening ?
Name: Robert Joseph Bird
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 7 Aug 1859
Baptism Place: Walton On Thames,Surrey,England
Father: Joseph Bird
Mother: Eliza Martha
FHL Film Number: 814225, 814226
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2014 19:57 |
As you have two records saying 1859, and two saying Robert Joseph, my guess (and only a guess) would be that that is correct, and that the John on Violet's birth cert is a slip of the registrar's concentration. It does happen!
Perhaps you've only been looking for deaths of specifically a Robert Joseph?
If this is his birth -
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Robert Joseph Bird Name: Robert Joseph Bird Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1859 Registration district: Chertsey Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 21
then this could be his death:
Deaths Mar 1928 (>99%) Bird Robert J 69 Newton A. 5b 140
or this: Deaths Sep 1930 (>99%) Bird Robert 71 Penrith 10b 474
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21 May 2014 20:41 |
Violet Mary Ann Bird baptised 30/4/1899 by Robert Joseph Bird a Painter.
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21 May 2014 22:11 |
Thank you all so much, you have given me both additional information and confirmation of others, I will work through all this and hopefully move a bit more forward.
Thank you again.
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21 May 2014 22:51 |
The full marriage record....
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Robert Joseph Bird (Bachelor) Private West Riding Regiment Res: 79 Rylston Road Estimated Birth Year:abt 1858 Age:33 Spouse Name:Jane Eyles Spouse Age:33 Record Type:Marriage Event Date:20 Dec 1891 Parish:Walham Green St John Borough:Hammersmith and Fulham Father Name:Joseph Bird (Hotel Waiter) Deceased Spouse Father:George Batchelor (Carman) Register Type:Parish Register Witnesses: E J Lawrence and Eliza Athins
1871 England Census about Robert J Bird Name:Robert J Bird Age:12 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1859 Relation:Son Father's Name:Joseph Bird Mother's name:Eliza M Bird Gender:Male Where born:Walton on Thames, Surrey, England Civil Parish:St John The Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Trinity County/Island:London Country:England Registration district:St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district:St John Westminster
Household Members:
Joseph Bird 36 (Waiter) Eliza M Bird 38 Robert J Bird 12
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Joseph Bird Name:Joseph Bird Gender:Male Marital Status:Single Age:24 Birth Date:1834 Marriage Date:31 Aug 1858 Marriage Place:St. Paul, Hammersmith, Middlesex, England Father: John Bird Spouse: Eliza Martha Ford FHL Film Number:1966292 Reference ID:pg 89, no 178
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Eliza Martha Ford Name:Eliza Martha Ford Gender:Female Marital Status:Single Age:24 Birth Date:1834 Marriage Date:31 Aug 1858 Marriage Place:St. Paul, Hammersmith, Middlesex, England Father: Seth Borr Ford Spouse: Joseph Bird FHL Film Number:1966292 Reference ID:pg 89, no 178
Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Eliza Martha Ford Name:Eliza Martha Ford Baptism Date:14 Jan 1831 Baptism Place:Poole, Dorset, England Father's Name:Seth Bow Ford (Mariner) Mother's name:Sarah Ford
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Seth Bow Ford Name:Seth Bow Ford Gender:Male Marriage Date:1827 Marriage Place:Saint James, Poole, Dorset, England Spouse: Sarah Williams FHL Film Number:1239221 Reference ID:2:25C559X
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PricklyHolly
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21 May 2014 23:32 |
UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 about Seth Bow Ford Name:Seth Bow Ford Estimated Age:53 Birth Date:6 Dec 1798 Birth Place:Poole, Dorset Issue Date:20 Jan 1851 Issue Port:Poole Certificate Number:39.416
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21 May 2014 23:32 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Violet Mary Ann Bird Name: Violet Mary Ann Bird Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 30 Apr 1899 Father's Name: Robert Joseph Bird, painter of 13 Hamble Street Mother's name: Jane Bird Parish or Poor Law Union: Walham Green Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham Register Type: Parish Registers
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PricklyHolly
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21 May 2014 23:34 |
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Robert Ford Name:Robert Ford Gender:Male Baptism Date:28 Jan 1834 Baptism Place:Saint James, Poole, Dorset, England Father: Seth Bow Ford Mother: Sarah FHL Film Number:1239222 Reference ID:item 2 p 80
Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Amelia Ford Name:Amelia Ford Baptism Date:21 Jan 1828 Baptism Place:Poole, Dorset, England Father's Name:Seth Boa Ford [Seth Bow Ford] Mariner Mother's name:Sarah Ford
It seems Robert has acquired a middle name of William?
UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 Certificate of Competency as Second Mate about Robert William Ford Name:Robert William Ford Estimated Age:29 Birth Date:1833 Birth Place:Poole, Dorset Issue Date:22 Nov 1862 Issue Port:Liverpool Certificate Number:27.065
UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 Certificate of Competency as Second Mate about Robert William Ford Name:Robert William Ford Estimated Age:33 Birth Date:1833 Birth Place:Poole, Dorset Issue Date:25 Sep 1866 Issue Port:Liverpool Certificate Number:83632
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21 May 2014 23:42 |
1851 England Census about Seth Barr Ford Name:Seth Barr Ford Age:52 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1799 Relation:Stepson Mother's name:Elizth Seymour Gender:Male Where born:Poole, Dorset, England Civil Parish:Poole St James Town:North West County/Island:Dorset Country:England
Household Members:
Goringe Seymour 76 Elizth Seymour 76 Elis Seymour 42 Seth Barr Ford 52 (Shipwright) Widower
1851 England Census about Eliza M Ford Name:Eliza M Ford Age:20 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831 Relation:Niece Gender:Female Where born:Poole, Dorset, England Civil Parish:Poole St James Town:Poole South East County/Island:Dorset Country:England
Household Members:
Henry Ford 59 (Sailor) Hannah Ford 56 Eliza M Ford 20 Robert W Ford 17 (Nephew) Apprentice to Sailor
Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Henry Ford Name:Henry Ford (Bachelor) Marriage or Bann Date:23 Dec 1817 Parish:Poole Spouse's Name:Hannah Ayles (Spinster) One of the witnesses is Seth Bow
UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 Masters Certificate of Service about Henry Ford Name:Henry Ford Estimated Age:59 Birth Date:11 Oct 1792 Birth Place:Poole, Dorset Issue Date:17 Feb 1851 Issue Port:Poole Certificate Number:39.466
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Ford Name:Henry Ford Estimated Birth Year:abt 1792 Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1867 Age at Death:75 Registration district:Poole Inferred County:Dorset Volume:5a Page:201
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21 May 2014 23:49 |
Seth Bow Ford on the image...
Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about Seth Ford Name:Seth Ford Event Type:Baptism Event Date:29 Nov 1798 Parish:Poole Father's Name:Henry Ford Mother's name:Elizth Ford
A Sister?.........
Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about Elizabeth Ford Name:Elizabeth Ford Event Type:Baptism Event Date:5 Jul 1795 Parish:Poole Father's Name:Henry Ford Mother's name:Elizabeth Ford
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21 May 2014 23:56 |
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Amelia Ford Name:Amelia Ford Gender:Female Age:36 Birth Date:1830 Marriage Date:1866 Marriage Place:Wybunbury, Cheshire, England Father: Seth Bow Ford Spouse: Henry Gregson FHL Film Number:1850129 Reference ID:2:3GCMMB5
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23 May 2014 20:40 |
Thank you Prickly Holly and WOW
Thank you to everyone for the information.
May all your research be complete xx
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23 May 2014 20:42 |
Just realised there was another post thanks Alviegal
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PricklyHolly
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23 May 2014 20:54 |
Your PM was much appreciated Cheryl.
Thank you..........Prickles. x :-)
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