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William and Hannah Robinson had another daughter baptised the same day as Sarah Robinson.

England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)"

Name: Ann Robinson
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Christening Date: 20 Mar 1808
Christening Place: Mytholmroyd, Yorkshire
Marriage Date:
Marriage Place:
Death Date:
Death Place:
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Father's Name: William Robinson
Mother's Name: Hannah Robinson
Affiliate Publication Number: RG4_3244

I have now found this baptism for a Sarah Robinson in the non conformist records at Mytholmroyd , with the same parents as Francis Robinson.

It's my belief that this must be the Sarah who married John Steel in 1828, as her and John Steel's son Joseph was described as nephew to, and living with, FrancisRobinsonl born c1819 Mytholmroyd in census 1851, and her son John Steel jr was living with Francis's widow Amelia in census 1861, also described as nephew:

Sarah Robinson, "England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)"

Name: Sarah Robinson
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Christening Date: 20 Mar 1808
Christening Place: Mytholmroyd, Yorkshire
Marriage Date:
Marriage Place:
Death Date:
Death Place:
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Father's Name: William Robinson
Mother's Name: Hannah Robinson
Affiliate Publication Number: RG4_3244

This seems to be the correct baptism for Francis Robinson:

"England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)"

Name: Francis Robinson
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Christening Date: 11 Mar 1810
Christening Place: Mytholmroyd, Yorkshire
Marriage Date:
Marriage Place:
Death Date:
Death Place:
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Father's Name: William Robinson<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Name: Hannah Robinson<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Affiliate Publication Number: RG4_3244

Family search's version of Sarah in Ilkey's baptism:

Name: Sarah Robinson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Jul 1808
Christening Place: ILKLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1808
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Or Hannah Robinson<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00764-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 599156
Reference ID:

However West Yorkshire baptisms just say Mary:

West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812

Name: Sarah Robinson
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1808
Event Date: 10 Jul 1808
Event Type: Baptism
Parish: Ilkley
Mother's name: Mary Robinson

The image does state mother was a spinster, but her name seems to start Mary and then have another 3 or 4 letters. It might even be that one name was written originally, and then overwritten and/or corrected to Mary. Maybe someone else could take a look?

So how does that Sarah Robinson connect to Francis Robinson born c1810 Mytholmroyd, who is presumably uncle (as his widow is aunt) to the children of Sarah Robinson and John Steel?

Ilkley would be a lot more convenient to Addingham where Sarah married, than Mytholmroyd, which is given as Francis Robinson's birthplace in census 1851, when he has his nephew, Sarah's son Joseph Robinson Steel living with him .

Baptism for John Steel 1801 and marriage to Sarah Robinson in 1828 already posted earlier in this thread, and image of baptism sent by pm.

So how does that Sarah Robinson connect to Francis Robinson born c1810 Mytholmroyd, who is presumably uncle (as his widow is aunt) to the children of Sarah Robinson and John Steele ?

Baptism for John Steel 1801 and marriage to Sarah Robinson in 1828 already posted earlier in this thread, and image of baptism sent by pm.

Sarah Robinson 25/6/1808 born Ilkley West Yorkshire to Mary Robinson unmarried born 1777 in Ilkley to Edward Robinson 1749 and Ann Dobson 1750.
Mary also had Ann 5/2/1805 died 15/2/1810.

Sarah married John Steel a farmer 29/6/1828 he was born 17/2/1801 Moorside Addingham.

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Marriage for Thomas Steel and Mary Shutttleworth?

family search has:

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 "

Name: Thomas Steel
Birth Date: 1779
Birthplace:
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Mary Shuttleworth
Spouse's Birth Date: 1779
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 29 Jun 1800
Event Place: York, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03866-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1470313
Reference ID:

Pallot's marriage index has :

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837

Name: Thos Steel
Spouse: Mary Shuttleworth
Marriage Date: 1800
Parish: Addingham

Image says Thomas is a farmer, which tallies with his occupation on son John's baptism record.. also 'lic', ie married by licence?

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Name: Thomas Steel<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Apr 1759
Christening Place: KILDWICK,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Benjamin Steel<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01001-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0496813, 0496814, 0599995, 0599997
Reference ID:

Same place as marriage of Benjamin and Elizabeth Steel

Puzzled out the message on the baptism for John. it gave the parentage of his father Thomas,of Moorside, a farmer as son of Benjamin Steel of Howden Worsted manufacturer by Elizabeth daur of David Steel of Braunfill (?) farmer.

This seems to be the marriage of Benjamin Steel and Elizabeth Steel:

Name: Benjamin Steel
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Steel
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 09 Jan 1757
Event Place: Kildwick,York,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01001-3
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 919147
Reference ID:

Census 1851 showed John Steel senior to be born c1801 Addingham, Yorkshire,

West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812

Name: John Steel
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1801
Event Date: 5 Apr 1801
Event Type: Baptism
Parish: Addingham, St Peter
Father's Name: Thomas Steel
Mother's name: Mary

There's an interesting baptism entry with further ancestors, so I'll pm it to you as I can't quite puzzle it out.

Familysearch:

Name: John Steel
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 05 Apr 1801
Christening Place: ADDINGHAM,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1801
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Steel
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Shuttleworth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00732-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 844557
Reference ID:

Having trouble finding baptism records for the relevant period for Mytholmroyd (transcribed Wytholmroyd), which seems to be the probable birthplace intended for Francis in census 1851, it certainly looks like Mytholmroyd on the census image itself.

This looks like the death of Francis Robinson's first wife, Grace. Age tallies with that given in census 1851:

West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials

Name: Grace Robinson
Birth Year: abt 1802
Parish: Addingham, St Peter
Burial Date: 2 Oct 1851
Burial Age: 49


Marriage of Francis and Grace:

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Francis Robinson
Name: Francis Robinson
Marriage or Bann Date: 2 Jul 1835
Parish: Addingham, St Peter
Spouse's Name: Grace Webster

This would seem to eliminate the two baptisms I posted above, and indicate that Joseph was married previous to his marriage to Amelia, and shows a link to the Steels via the nephew listed, Joseph Robinson Steel:


Census 1851:



First Name FRANCIS
Last Name ROBINSON
Relationship HEAD
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 41
Year Of Birth 1810
Occupation SMITH AND FAINER
Birth Place -
Birth Town WYTHOLMEROYD
Birth County YORKSHIRE
House Number 9
House Name -
Street PAPER HALL STREET
Town BRADFORD
Parish -
City BRADFORD
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West riding)
Hamlet -
Parliamentary Borough BRADFORD
Municipal Ward BRADFORD
Registration District BRADFORD
Archive Reference HO107
Piece Number 2307
Folio 187
Page 11
Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys



Household Members

FRANCIS ROBINSON HEAD 41 1810
GRACE ROBINSON WIFE 49 1802
JOSEPH ROBINSON STEEL NEPHEW 18 1833<<<<
HANNAH M SOWERBY NIECE 14 1837
DANIEL MCDOUGILL LODGER 62 1789

The same Joseph Steel with parents John and Sarah in 1841?

Name: Joseph Steel
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Bingley
Hundred: Skyrack (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:


Registration district: Keighley
Sub-registration district: Bingley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1312
Book: 3
Folio: 38
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John Steel 35<<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah Steel 30<<<<<<<<<<
Thomas Steel 12
William Steel 10
Joseph Steel 8<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
David Steel 6
Jane Steel 1
Mitchell Ackroyd 7

Sarah Steel nee Robinson was supposedly aged 34 when she died in 1842, and had married John in 1828. census 1841 says she was born in Yorkshire and gives her age as 30, which fits with the practice in the 1841 census of rounding down the age of over 15s to the nearest five years.

Marriage took place at Addingham, and in census 1851 two of the older children Thomas and William are born Addingham; John 1842 and older sister Jane are both recorded as born Bingley as are the two younger chidrenwho are Grace's offspring.

Unfortunately the only Sarah with a brother named Francis I've found so far seems quite a few years too old.....

Name: Sarah Robinson<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Oct 1799<<<<<<<<<<
Christening Place: ADDINGHAM,YORK,ENGLAND<<<<<
Birth Date: 29 Sep 1799
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Robinson<<<<<<<<<
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann Mann<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00732-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 844557
Reference ID:

Name: Francis Robinson<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 12 Jul 1795
Christening Place: ADDINGHAM,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 10 Jun 1795
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Tho. Robinson<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann Mann<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00732-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 844557
Reference ID:

Aah now you have brought forward a further connection that I have viz the Bagshaws.Yes I have my gg grandmother Sarah Bagshaw b 1820 died 1902 in Ashburton,New Zealand married to Samuel Conyer and parents of Ellen Conyer.
So thanks to your kind time and sharing we seem to have all the links to the Steels/Robinsons and Bagshaws.
I sincerely appreciate your help and info supplied.

Milt

:-D

I think that possible marriage for Francis Robinson and Amelia Bagshaw/Bayshaw reasonably likely

This death occurs after the birth of Amelia's children, so might account for her widowhood by 1861, but of course no age is given in the BMD index, so hard to tell if it 'fits'

Deaths Sep 1858 Robinson Francis Bradford Yk 9b 34

Sarah Steel nee Robinson was the mother of John Steel 1842, it seems likely to me that she is Amelia Robinson's sister in law.

If I'm right, we need to find a Sarah Robinson and a Francis Robinson born to the same set of parents, or at least, to the same father if he was married more than once.

Yes,the last reply summary seems logical ie connection between John Steel/Ellen Conyer and the Robinsons especially as approx. date of birth for Ellen concurs with what I already had and Johns occupation at time.
Perhaps I should start investigating Amelia Robinson to find specific relationship with the Steels?

Thanks for info on what seems a common name (John Steel) in a small area making it confusing to unthread.
Cheers
Milton

Re the connection between John Steel 1842 and wife Ellen Conyer.

I believe that John Steel's first wife Sarah Robinson was related to Francis Robinson ( possibly sister, but it's too late at night to pursue that further now), a possible husband for Amelia from census 1861 , who I suspect was nee Bagshaw or Bayshaw:

Marriages Mar 1852
Bagshaw Amelia Bradford 9b 230<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hill Mary Bradford 9b 230
Holmes Henry Bradford 9b 230
Robinson Francis Bradford 9b 230<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Ellen's baptism:

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910

Name: Ellen Conyer
Birth Date: 23 Feb 1846
Parish: Batley, All Saints
Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1846
Father's Name: Samuel Conyer<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's name: Sarah Conyer<<<<<<<<<<

Ellen's parents' marriage:

Name: Samuel Conyer<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Sep 1844
Parish: Dewsbury, All Saints
Father's Name: William Conyer
Spouse's Name: Sarah Bayshaw<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Father's Name: John Bayshaw<<<<<<<<<<<

So if I'm right, Ellen's maternal Aunt Amelia was the wife/widow of John's maternal Uncle Francis.

Looks like the widowed John Steel, wool comber may have married Grace in 1845, which tallies with the gap in age between John Steel born 1842, and next sibling Richard born c1847 according to the 1851 census I posted earlier.

Name: John Steel
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1845
Registration district: Keighley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 23
Page Number: 266

Records on Page:
Name
James Cockin
John Bottomley
Edward Carr
Mary Meaids
Martha Moulding
Grace Shuttleworth<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah Smith
John Steel<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

However I can find no evidence for this John being a maltster. In 1861 he was still a wool comber, in 1871 an ag lab, and in 1881 as below:

1881 England Census about John Steel
Name: John Steel
Age: 80
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Grace Steel
Gender: Male
Where born: Addingham, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Bingley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 14 22 Wellington Street
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Curator Cooperative Rm (Office Keeper Not Gov)<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Keighley
Sub-registration district: Bingley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4342
Folio: 88
Page Number: 2

Household Members:
Name Age
John Steel 80 c1801 Addingham, Yorkshire, England
Grace Steel 67 c 1814 Addingham, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Steel 30
S.Ann Steel 28
Mary Steel 34
Abraham Shuttleworth 73 uncle c1808 Addingham, Yorkshire, England

The presence of Abraham Shuttleworth supports the probability that John Steel married Grace Shuttleworth in that 1845 marriage

Marriage of John the Wool comber and Sarah?

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name: Sarah Robinson<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marriage or Bann Date: 29 Jun 1828
Parish: Addingham, St Peter
Spouse's Name: John Steel<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

EDIT: Just in case it helps later, one of the witnesses was a Richard Steel.

Death of Sarah?

Name: Sarah Steel
Birth Year: abt 1808
Parish: Addingham, St Peter
Burial Date: 13 Jul 1842
Burial Age: 34

John and Sarah's son John Steel in census 1961 living with a Robinson aunt. Birthplace now given as Bingley:


Name: John Steel<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: 1842
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Bingley, Yorkshire, England<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: Ripon
Town: Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:


Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bradford East End
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 3321
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5

Household Members:
Name Age
Amelia Robinson 42 c1819 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England Widow<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah Robinson 8 daur c1853 Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Thomas Robinson 6 son c1855 Bradford, Yorkshire, England
John Steel 19 nephew c1842 Bingley, Yorkshire, England ASSISTANT GROCER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen Conyer 15 niece c1846 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Samuel Conyer 10 nephew c1851 Bristol, Somerset, England

So some sort of connection via Amelia and/or her late husband between John Steel and Ellen Conyer before their marriage.