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10 May 2014 00:34 |
Trying to trace ancestors for John Steele of Bingley. His marriage certificate of 1864 lists him as a 22 year old grocer,his wife Ellen Conyer and father also John,occupation malster.I have 1881 census records for him and his family at Manningham,Yorkshire and are aware of that family migrating to New Zealand subsequently. However I welcome any help in tracing any other family members especially of his father,the malster John.
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10 May 2014 01:07 |
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Father not a maltster though.
1851:
Name: John Steel Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Steel Mother's name: Grace Steel Gender: Male Where born: Bingley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley Town: Bingley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Keighley Sub-registration district: Bingley ED, institution, or vessel: 1c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 103 Piece: 2286 Folio: 76 Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age John Steel 50 c1801 Addingham, Yorkshire, England Wool comber Grace Steel 37 Thomas Steel 22 William Steel 20 Jane Steel 11 John Steel 9 c1842 Bingley, Yorkshire, England Richard Steel 4 c1847 Bingley, Yorkshire, England Elizabeth Steel 1
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10 May 2014 01:13 |
Deleted info as i got confused! :-S
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10 May 2014 01:31 |
Is this your John Steel and wife Ellen in 1881?
Birthplace here is given as Addingham
Name: John Steel Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Ellen Steel Gender: Male Where born: Addingham, Yorkshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: Calverley cum Farsley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Priesthorpe Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status:
Occupation: Warehouse Man<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Calverley ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4480 Folio: 113 Page Number: 35 Household Members: Name Age John Steel 39 Ellen Steel 29 Mary J. Steel 7 Fanny Steel 4
There is this baptism:
West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: John Steel Birth Date: 24 Mar 1842 Parish: Addingham, St Peter Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1842 Father's Name: John Steel<<<<<<<<< Mother's name: Sarah Steel<<<<<<<<<<<
However father John is a wool comber and between the names John and Sarah on the register is the word 'late', so I don't know if that means Sarah had died.
EDIT: Later evidence posted below suggests Sarah died between the birth and baptism of John Junior.
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10 May 2014 01:36 |
Marriage of John the Wool comber and Sarah?
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
Name: Sarah Robinson<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Marriage or Bann Date: 29 Jun 1828 Parish: Addingham, St Peter Spouse's Name: John Steel<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
EDIT: Just in case it helps later, one of the witnesses was a Richard Steel.
Death of Sarah?
Name: Sarah Steel Birth Year: abt 1808 Parish: Addingham, St Peter Burial Date: 13 Jul 1842 Burial Age: 34
John and Sarah's son John Steel in census 1961 living with a Robinson aunt. Birthplace now given as Bingley:
Name: John Steel<<<<<<<<<<<< Age: 19 Estimated birth year: 1842 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Bingley, Yorkshire, England<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical parish: Ripon Town: Bradford County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Bradford East End ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 32 Piece: 3321 Folio: 6 Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age Amelia Robinson 42 c1819 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England Widow<<<<<<<<<< Sarah Robinson 8 daur c1853 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Thomas Robinson 6 son c1855 Bradford, Yorkshire, England John Steel 19 nephew c1842 Bingley, Yorkshire, England ASSISTANT GROCER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ellen Conyer 15 niece c1846 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Samuel Conyer 10 nephew c1851 Bristol, Somerset, England
So some sort of connection via Amelia and/or her late husband between John Steel and Ellen Conyer before their marriage.
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10 May 2014 02:00 |
Looks like the widowed John Steel, wool comber may have married Grace in 1845, which tallies with the gap in age between John Steel born 1842, and next sibling Richard born c1847 according to the 1851 census I posted earlier.
Name: John Steel Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1845 Registration district: Keighley Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume Number: 23 Page Number: 266
Records on Page: Name James Cockin John Bottomley Edward Carr Mary Meaids Martha Moulding Grace Shuttleworth<<<<<<<<<<<< Sarah Smith John Steel<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
However I can find no evidence for this John being a maltster. In 1861 he was still a wool comber, in 1871 an ag lab, and in 1881 as below:
1881 England Census about John Steel Name: John Steel Age: 80 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Grace Steel Gender: Male Where born: Addingham, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 14 22 Wellington Street Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Curator Cooperative Rm (Office Keeper Not Gov)<<<<<<<<<<< Registration district: Keighley Sub-registration district: Bingley ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4342 Folio: 88 Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age John Steel 80 c1801 Addingham, Yorkshire, England Grace Steel 67 c 1814 Addingham, Yorkshire, England Elizabeth Steel 30 S.Ann Steel 28 Mary Steel 34 Abraham Shuttleworth 73 uncle c1808 Addingham, Yorkshire, England
The presence of Abraham Shuttleworth supports the probability that John Steel married Grace Shuttleworth in that 1845 marriage
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10 May 2014 02:18 |
Re the connection between John Steel 1842 and wife Ellen Conyer.
I believe that John Steel's first wife Sarah Robinson was related to Francis Robinson ( possibly sister, but it's too late at night to pursue that further now), a possible husband for Amelia from census 1861 , who I suspect was nee Bagshaw or Bayshaw:
Marriages Mar 1852 Bagshaw Amelia Bradford 9b 230<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hill Mary Bradford 9b 230 Holmes Henry Bradford 9b 230 Robinson Francis Bradford 9b 230<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen's baptism:
West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Ellen Conyer Birth Date: 23 Feb 1846 Parish: Batley, All Saints Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1846 Father's Name: Samuel Conyer<<<<<<<<<< Mother's name: Sarah Conyer<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen's parents' marriage:
Name: Samuel Conyer<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Age: Full Age Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Sep 1844 Parish: Dewsbury, All Saints Father's Name: William Conyer Spouse's Name: Sarah Bayshaw<<<<<<<<<< Spouse's Father's Name: John Bayshaw<<<<<<<<<<<
So if I'm right, Ellen's maternal Aunt Amelia was the wife/widow of John's maternal Uncle Francis.
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10 May 2014 02:20 |
Yes,the last reply summary seems logical ie connection between John Steel/Ellen Conyer and the Robinsons especially as approx. date of birth for Ellen concurs with what I already had and Johns occupation at time. Perhaps I should start investigating Amelia Robinson to find specific relationship with the Steels?
Thanks for info on what seems a common name (John Steel) in a small area making it confusing to unthread. Cheers Milton
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10 May 2014 02:35 |
I think that possible marriage for Francis Robinson and Amelia Bagshaw/Bayshaw reasonably likely
This death occurs after the birth of Amelia's children, so might account for her widowhood by 1861, but of course no age is given in the BMD index, so hard to tell if it 'fits'
Deaths Sep 1858 Robinson Francis Bradford Yk 9b 34
Sarah Steel nee Robinson was the mother of John Steel 1842, it seems likely to me that she is Amelia Robinson's sister in law.
If I'm right, we need to find a Sarah Robinson and a Francis Robinson born to the same set of parents, or at least, to the same father if he was married more than once.
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10 May 2014 03:02 |
Aah now you have brought forward a further connection that I have viz the Bagshaws.Yes I have my gg grandmother Sarah Bagshaw b 1820 died 1902 in Ashburton,New Zealand married to Samuel Conyer and parents of Ellen Conyer. So thanks to your kind time and sharing we seem to have all the links to the Steels/Robinsons and Bagshaws. I sincerely appreciate your help and info supplied.
Milt
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10 May 2014 03:02 |
Sarah Steel nee Robinson was supposedly aged 34 when she died in 1842, and had married John in 1828. census 1841 says she was born in Yorkshire and gives her age as 30, which fits with the practice in the 1841 census of rounding down the age of over 15s to the nearest five years.
Marriage took place at Addingham, and in census 1851 two of the older children Thomas and William are born Addingham; John 1842 and older sister Jane are both recorded as born Bingley as are the two younger chidrenwho are Grace's offspring.
Unfortunately the only Sarah with a brother named Francis I've found so far seems quite a few years too old.....
Name: Sarah Robinson<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Female Christening Date: 20 Oct 1799<<<<<<<<<< Christening Place: ADDINGHAM,YORK,ENGLAND<<<<< Birth Date: 29 Sep 1799 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Robinson<<<<<<<<< Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Ann Mann<<<<<<<<< Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00732-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 844557 Reference ID:
Name: Francis Robinson<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Male Christening Date: 12 Jul 1795 Christening Place: ADDINGHAM,YORK,ENGLAND Birth Date: 10 Jun 1795 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Tho. Robinson<<<<<<<<<<< Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Ann Mann<<<<<<<<<< Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00732-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 844557 Reference ID:
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10 May 2014 03:19 |
This would seem to eliminate the two baptisms I posted above, and indicate that Joseph was married previous to his marriage to Amelia, and shows a link to the Steels via the nephew listed, Joseph Robinson Steel:
Census 1851:
First Name FRANCIS Last Name ROBINSON Relationship HEAD Condition MARRIED Gender Male Age 41 Year Of Birth 1810 Occupation SMITH AND FAINER Birth Place - Birth Town WYTHOLMEROYD Birth County YORKSHIRE House Number 9 House Name - Street PAPER HALL STREET Town BRADFORD Parish - City BRADFORD County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West riding) Hamlet - Parliamentary Borough BRADFORD Municipal Ward BRADFORD Registration District BRADFORD Archive Reference HO107 Piece Number 2307 Folio 187 Page 11 Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Category Census, land & surveys
Household Members FRANCIS ROBINSON HEAD 41 1810 GRACE ROBINSON WIFE 49 1802 JOSEPH ROBINSON STEEL NEPHEW 18 1833<<<< HANNAH M SOWERBY NIECE 14 1837 DANIEL MCDOUGILL LODGER 62 1789
The same Joseph Steel with parents John and Sarah in 1841?
Name: Joseph Steel Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley Hundred: Skyrack (Upper Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Registration district: Keighley Sub-registration district: Bingley Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1312 Book: 3 Folio: 38 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age John Steel 35<<<<<<<<<<< Sarah Steel 30<<<<<<<<<< Thomas Steel 12 William Steel 10 Joseph Steel 8<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< David Steel 6 Jane Steel 1 Mitchell Ackroyd 7
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10 May 2014 03:26 |
This looks like the death of Francis Robinson's first wife, Grace. Age tallies with that given in census 1851:
West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials
Name: Grace Robinson Birth Year: abt 1802 Parish: Addingham, St Peter Burial Date: 2 Oct 1851 Burial Age: 49
Marriage of Francis and Grace:
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Francis Robinson Name: Francis Robinson Marriage or Bann Date: 2 Jul 1835 Parish: Addingham, St Peter Spouse's Name: Grace Webster
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10 May 2014 03:40 |
Having trouble finding baptism records for the relevant period for Mytholmroyd (transcribed Wytholmroyd), which seems to be the probable birthplace intended for Francis in census 1851, it certainly looks like Mytholmroyd on the census image itself.
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10 May 2014 03:49 |
Census 1851 showed John Steel senior to be born c1801 Addingham, Yorkshire,
West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812
Name: John Steel Birth Date: 17 Feb 1801 Event Date: 5 Apr 1801 Event Type: Baptism Parish: Addingham, St Peter Father's Name: Thomas Steel Mother's name: Mary
There's an interesting baptism entry with further ancestors, so I'll pm it to you as I can't quite puzzle it out.
Familysearch:
Name: John Steel Gender: Male Christening Date: 05 Apr 1801 Christening Place: ADDINGHAM,YORK,ENGLAND Birth Date: 17 Feb 1801 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Steel Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Mary Shuttleworth Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00732-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 844557 Reference ID:
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10 May 2014 04:19 |
Puzzled out the message on the baptism for John. it gave the parentage of his father Thomas,of Moorside, a farmer as son of Benjamin Steel of Howden Worsted manufacturer by Elizabeth daur of David Steel of Braunfill (?) farmer.
This seems to be the marriage of Benjamin Steel and Elizabeth Steel:
Name: Benjamin Steel Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Steel Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 09 Jan 1757 Event Place: Kildwick,York,England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01001-3 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 919147 Reference ID:
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10 May 2014 09:18 |
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Name: Thomas Steel<<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Male Christening Date: 29 Apr 1759 Christening Place: KILDWICK,YORK,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Benjamin Steel<<<<<<<<<<< Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Elizabeth<<<<<<<<< Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01001-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 0496813, 0496814, 0599995, 0599997 Reference ID:
Same place as marriage of Benjamin and Elizabeth Steel
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10 May 2014 09:27 |
Marriage for Thomas Steel and Mary Shutttleworth?
family search has:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Thomas Steel Birth Date: 1779 Birthplace: Age: 21 Spouse's Name: Mary Shuttleworth Spouse's Birth Date: 1779 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 21 Event Date: 29 Jun 1800 Event Place: York, England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03866-6 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1470313 Reference ID:
Pallot's marriage index has :
Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
Name: Thos Steel Spouse: Mary Shuttleworth Marriage Date: 1800 Parish: Addingham
Image says Thomas is a farmer, which tallies with his occupation on son John's baptism record.. also 'lic', ie married by licence?
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10 May 2014 17:37 |
Sarah Robinson 25/6/1808 born Ilkley West Yorkshire to Mary Robinson unmarried born 1777 in Ilkley to Edward Robinson 1749 and Ann Dobson 1750. Mary also had Ann 5/2/1805 died 15/2/1810.
Sarah married John Steel a farmer 29/6/1828 he was born 17/2/1801 Moorside Addingham.
info off www.wharfegen.org.uk
free to register.
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10 May 2014 19:11 |
So how does that Sarah Robinson connect to Francis Robinson born c1810 Mytholmroyd, who is presumably uncle (as his widow is aunt) to the children of Sarah Robinson and John Steele ?
Baptism for John Steel 1801 and marriage to Sarah Robinson in 1828 already posted earlier in this thread, and image of baptism sent by pm.
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