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Dominique
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6 May 2014 21:57 |
Hello I am researching the Ellis side of my family and have now got stuck. The father on the birth certificate of Charles Edward Ellis (my great, great grandfather) was a Henry Joseph Ellis and his wife was Maria (nee Davis). It showed that he was born at home on the 4th of June 1879 in Esher road-now Fairbridge Road-Islington (registered 15th July). It lists Henry's occupation as a brass finisher. I know from Charles' marriage certificate that his father was deceased when he married in April 1903 and that he had been a brass worker. His brother George Alfred Ellis signed the marriage certificate as a witness. (Charles married a Maud Mary Francis) I have been trying using mainly ancestry library to find some information on Charles' family from the census's (1881, 1891,1901) but without success. I would like to find out when and where his dad and mother were born and how many brothers and or sisters Charles had. I would also be interested to know about the brass working and if there were brass factories in Islington? It is also of interest to note that in the 1911 Census Charles says he was born in Clerkenwell. I would be very grateful for any further information which may help me get past the brick wall :-)
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GlitterBaby
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6 May 2014 22:10 |
Not sure if connected yet or not
Three baptisms on 11 March 1874
James John Ellis, William Thomas Ellis and Henry William Ellis Parents given as Henry and Maria Ellis 25 Wootten St. Henry is a brass finisher
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GlitterBaby
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6 May 2014 22:12 |
Possible marriage in 1866 for Henry J Ellis to Maria J Davis in St Martin
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Mike *
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6 May 2014 22:14 |
Marriages Dec 1866
DAVIS Maria J - St. Martin 1a 767 ELLIS Henry J - St. Martin 1a 767
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BeverleyW
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6 May 2014 22:16 |
Right parents' names, a brother called George, but wrong place of birth and father's occupation......
1881
Name: Henry Ellis Age (Original): 35 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1846 Birthplace: Sewardstone, Essex, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: General Labourer Address: 2 Goat Lane Event Place: Enfield, Middlesex, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341339 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 1394 / 34 Page Number: 6 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head Henry Ellis M 35 Sewardstone, Essex, England Wife Mary Ellis F 36 Standon, Hertfordshire, England Son George Ellis M 11 Ponders End, Middlesex, England Son Henry Ellis M 12 Ponders End, Middlesex, England Son Arthur Ellis M 10 Ponders End, Middlesex, England Son James Ellis M 8 Ponders End, Middlesex, England Son Edward Ellis M 5 Ponders End, Middlesex, England Daughter Elizabeth Ellis F 4 Ponders End, Middlesex, England Son Charles Ellis M 2 Ponders End, Middlesex, England
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AnnCardiff
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6 May 2014 22:26 |
Name: Charles Edward Ellis Event Type: Birth Registration Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration Year: 1879 Registration District: Islington County: London Event Place: Islington, London, England Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3): Volume: 1B Page: 344 Line Number: 172
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GlitterBaby
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6 May 2014 22:35 |
:-S
The 1903 marriage registration does not give any middle name for Charles ??
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GlitterBaby
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6 May 2014 22:42 |
The 1903 marriage cert does not give any middle name for Henry, the father ??
How do you know that George Alfred is a brother and not an Uncle or Cousin ?
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Mike *
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6 May 2014 22:47 |
Think this is the marriage for the Charles Ellis of Ponders End
Name: Charles Ellis Estimated birth year:abt 1879 Age:35 Spouse Name:Susannah Harman Spouse Age:43 Event Date:21 Nov 1914 Parish:Ponders End Borough:Enfield Father Name:Henry Ellis Spouse Father:William Harman
Of course he might have been a widower
Edit *** Yes he was a widower but father was a labourer and it doesn't say deceased. George was 35 and a gardener Susannah was a spinster of 43
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GlitterBaby
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6 May 2014 22:48 |
1911 just for info - occupation matches that on marriage cert
1911 Name: Charles Ellis Age in 1911: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 49 Sanderstead Road, South Croydon, Surrey Marital Status: Married Occupation: Carpenter Registration district: Croydon Registration District Number: 39 Sub-registration district: South Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Household schedule number: 34 Piece: 3318 Household Members: Name Age Charles Ellis 32 Alfred George Ellis 3
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GlitterBaby
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6 May 2014 22:50 |
Need some feedback on this as not sure that he is actually Charles Edward
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brummiejan
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6 May 2014 22:50 |
I think this might be the Maria and George who married 1866 - Henry is a mathematical instrument maker though, so not sure how likely it would be he would end up as a brass finisher!
1871 England Census Name: Maria Jane Ellis Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Henry Joseph Ellis Gender: Female Where born: Lambeth Civil Parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road First
Henry Joseph Ellis 24 Maria Jane Ellis 21 Sarah Ellis 35 George Edwin Ellis 16 Henry Willia Ellis 17
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Mike *
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6 May 2014 22:55 |
image says 17 months for son
1871
Henry Joseph Ellis 24 -Mathematical instrument maker- Lambeth Bond Court Maria Jane Ellis 21 - Lambeth Sarah Ellis 35 -sister George Edwin Ellis 16 - nephew Henry Willia Ellis 17 months - son
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Mike *
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6 May 2014 23:09 |
Wonder if this is the family
1881
H. Ellis 35 -.....Westminster - . Looks like ... Surveying instruments M. Ellis 33 - Lambeth H. Ellis 13 W. Ellis 11 J. Ellis 9 E. Ellis 7 G. Ellis 5 C. Ellis 3 - son - Hornsey Rise<<<<<< Charles ?
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Dominique
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6 May 2014 23:54 |
Hello Thank you very much for your replies and for the info GlitterBaby: it just says Henry Ellis (deceased) on the marriage certificate and you are right I was assuming George was a brother. I think I might be getting confused with the marriage certificate what I meant was-the book where they sign?(forgotten what it's called) My dad did seem to remember a brother George but he's not sure. The baptism information info looks interesting. It says Charles Edward on the birth certificate from the GRO and it also says Maria Ellis (formerly Davis) on the birth certificate
The last post from Mike with just the initials also looks interesting because of Hornsey rise being nearby...
Thank you all once again :-)
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Chris Ho :)
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7 May 2014 08:44 |
Do you have address for Charles 1903?...
(the 1881 Ponders End Charles, born 9 Jan. 1879, Goat Lane on Baptism. London, Ancestry)
All London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)
(some Esher Road, Finsbury on above, 1879 abouts, not seeing Ellis)
Chris :)
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Dominique
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7 May 2014 13:44 |
Hello Chris Thanks for more info On the marriage record Charles was at 52 Jarvis Road on April 13th 1903 :-)
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