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Florence61
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5 May 2014 19:43 |
Please could some kind person look at the census for 1891.1901 and 1911 to see if they can locate John Thirkell b 1850 Bishop Auckland, Durham Married Sarah Ann Holliday Dec 1874. She was born 1853.
I found then on the 1881 census and then they disappear. I am doing this fam tree for a friend and have reached a brick wall. I am trying to find out if they had children? The only John Thirkell i found in 1911 born the same year and place, gives one as single and a coal miner!
If anyone can help here please, i would appreciate this.
I have all of John's family who were younger than him. Thanks Florence in the hebrides. :-S
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MarieCeleste
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5 May 2014 20:52 |
Florence, do you know for definite that they stayed in the country - have you found deaths for them?
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5 May 2014 21:00 |
Worth following this up?
1940 United States Federal Census
Name: John Thirkell Age: 91 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: England Marital Status: Widowed Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: Johnstown, Cambria, Pennsylvania
Street: Franklin Street House Number: 984 Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: Johnstown, Cambria, Pennsylvania Residence in 1935: Same House Citizenship: Having First Papers Sheet Number: 4A Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 60 House Owned or Rented: Rented Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 9
Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 4th grade Weeks Worked in 1939: 0 Income: 0 Income Other Sources: No
Household Members: Name Age John Thirkell 91
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MarieCeleste
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5 May 2014 21:07 |
Could be ....
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: John Thirkill Arrival Date: 29 May 1882 Birth Date: abt 1850 Age: 32 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Nevada
Travelling with Sarah, aged 29.
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alviegal
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5 May 2014 21:16 |
1881 for ref.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print this page View image First Name JOHN Last Name THIRKELL Relationship HEAD Condition MARRIED Gender Male Age 31 Year Of Birth 1850 Occupation LEVELLER AT COKE BINS Birth Town BISHOP AUCKLAND Birth County DURHAM Birth Place - House Number - House Name COUNDON GRANGE Street JACKSON ST Town - Parish BISHOP AUCKLAND County Durham Country ENGLAND Registration District AUCKLAND Archive Reference RG11 Piece Number 4915 Folio 19 Page 32
JOHN THIRKELL HEAD 31 1850 BISHOP AUCKLAND SARAH ANN THIRKELL WIFE 28 1853 BEDALE, YORKSHIRE
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5 May 2014 21:19 |
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Name: Sarah A Thirkell Residence Year: 1906 Street address: 818 Sarah V H Residence Place: Homestead, Pennsylvania Publication Title: Homestead, Pennsylvania, City Directory, 1906
John W Thirkell at same address.
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alviegal
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5 May 2014 21:20 |
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New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Sarah Thirkill Name: Sarah Thirkill Arrival Date: 29 May 1882 Birth Date: abt 1853 Age: 29 Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Nevada Search Ship Database: Search the Nevada in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about John Thirkill Name: John Thirkill Arrival Date: 29 May 1882 Birth Date: abt 1850 Age: 32 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Nevada
There is also a George 24, Isabella 20 and Ann Holliday 1, travelling. Don't know if they're related or not.
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MarieCeleste
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5 May 2014 21:26 |
Struggling to find them in actual US census, there is a James and Annie Thirkell, similar ages and immigration year also born England. Any relation?
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Florence61
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5 May 2014 21:30 |
Thankyou all for your replies. Well going abroad might just answer the reason why i couldnt find them! I did look for deaths here in uk but again didnt find any. The surname of holliday was her maiden name so could be related to sarah?
Thanks again, most helpful Florence in the hebrides :-)
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alviegal
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5 May 2014 21:45 |
Well this is George and Isabella in 1881. Same address as John and Sarah. His birth is also registered in Bedale. They ended up in Utah.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print this page View image First Name GEORGE Last Name HOLLIDAY Relationship HEAD Condition MARRIED Gender Male Age 23 Year Of Birth 1858 Occupation COLLIERY LABOURER Birth Town KIRBY FLEETHAM Birth County YORKSHIRE Birth Place - House Number - House Name COUNDON GRANGE Street JACKSON ST Town - Parish BISHOP AUCKLAND County Durham Country ENGLAND Registration District AUCKLAND Archive Reference RG11 Piece Number 4915 Folio 20 Page 33
GEORGE HOLLIDAY HEAD 23 1858 KIRBY FLEETHAM Image Transcription ISABELLA HOLLIDAY WIFE 20 1861 CHESTER LE STREET
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print this page View image First Name GEORGE Last Name HALLIDAY Relationship SON Condition - Gender Male Age 3 Year Of Birth 1858 Occupation - Birth Town SOUTH FENCOTE Birth County YORKSHIRE Birth Place - House Name - Street SOUTH FENCOTE GREEN Parish KIRBY FLEETHAM NORTH RIDING YORKS Town SOUTH FENCOTE City - Registration District BEDALE
JAMES HALLIDAY HEAD 44 1817 SOUTH FENCOTE Image Transcription ANN HALLIDAY WIFE 41 1820 SNAPE Image Transcription JAMES HALLIDAY SON 13 1848 SOUTH FENCOTE Image Transcription JANE HALLIDAY DAUGHTER 10 1851 SOUTH FENCOTE Image Transcription >>SARAH A HALLIDAY DAUGHTER 8 1853 SOUTH FENCOTE Image Transcription >>GEORGE HALLIDAY SON 3 1858 SOUTH FENCOTE Image Transcription JOHN HALLIDAY SON 1 1860 SOUTH FENCOTE
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MarieCeleste
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5 May 2014 21:45 |
Florence, James and Annie were the ones I mentioned earlier, this is them
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: James Thirkell [James Thirkill] Age: 48 Birth Date: May 1852 Birthplace: England Home in 1900: Pittsburgh Ward 23, Allegheny, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1882 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Annie Thirkell Marriage Year: 1871 Years Married: 29 Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Occupation: Brick Maker
Household Members: Name Age James Thirkell 48 Annie Thirkell 46 John W Thirkell 21 - b England Sadie A Thirkell 18 - b England George E Thirkell 15 James A Thirkell 10 Alice H Thirkell 7
The younger children born PA
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Florence61
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5 May 2014 21:49 |
marie celeste the last brother of this family is James thirkell b 1853. he married Ann? b 1854. They had 4 children jane1873,Joseph1874,Mary Elizabeth1877,John William1879
I dont know when they got married as on the record it says the details were not available or unreadable so dont know her surname.
They could indeed have gone with them or soon after. I have been trying to trace whether they all got maried but given there are lots of thirkells and especially jane and john, i havent found anything concrete.
Thanks again for the info, really interesting. florence in the hebrides.
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MarieCeleste
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5 May 2014 21:54 |
Don't know what's happening on here - posts seem to disappear and then reappear?!
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5 May 2014 21:56 |
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Marriages Mar 1872 (>99%) Atkinson Henry Auckland 10a 247 Johnson Jane Auckland 10a 247 PROWD Ann Auckland 10a 247 THURKELL James Auckland 10a 247 xxxx
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safc
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5 May 2014 21:58 |
James Thirkell, "England and Wales Census, 1881" Name: James Thirkell Age (Original): 28 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1853 Birthplace: Hunwick, Durham, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: Fire Brick Moulder Address: Rough Lee Event Place: Hunwick And Helmington, Durham, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1342184 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 4925 / 79 Page Number: 80 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head James Thirkell M 28 Hunwick, Durham, England Wife Ann Thirkell F 27 Crook, Durham, England Daughter Jane Thirkell F 8 Crook, Durham, England Son Joseph Thirkell M 7 Crook, Durham, England Daughter Mary Elizabeth Thirkell F 4 Crook, Durham, England Son John William Thirkell M 2 Newfield, Durham, England
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MarieCeleste
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5 May 2014 22:01 |
Looks like Mary Elizabeth's marriage:
Mary E. Thirkell, "Pennsylvania, Marriages, 1709-1940"
Name: Joseph W. Redshaw Spouse's Name: Mary E. Thirkell Event Date: 29 Nov 1897 Event Place: Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00318-4 System Origin: Pennsylvania-ODM GS Film number: 878632
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Florence61
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5 May 2014 22:04 |
sorry i went to edit my last post when it just disappeard. think i pressed delete or something in error, sorry about that.
Well well, so there were another 4 younger children! My goodness this family certainly bred well. The older members of the family who stayed in the uk all seem to have had 6 or more kids. Its taken me ages writing it up.annie was very young when she married, only 17!
Thanks florence in the hebrides
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MarieCeleste
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5 May 2014 22:07 |
According to a tree on Ancestry (no source attached) James Thirkell married Annie Proud on 12 Mar 1872, Crook, Durham, St Catherines Church
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MarieCeleste
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5 May 2014 22:09 |
Florence, there are US census and quite a few Pennsylvania records on FamilySearch if you want to have a hunt around https://familysearch.org/
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Florence61
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5 May 2014 22:33 |
Oh thankyou for that, i will certainly take a look. Much appreciated Florence in the hebrides :-)
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