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Hi all. Can anyone please help me with my Brick Wall?
My GGF, William Archibald GREY married My GGM Fanny Sophia FISHER in Dunkeld, Victoria, Australia in 1870.
On the Marriage Certificate his age is given as 36yrs and place of birth given as Perth, Scotland.
He died by drowning in Victoria, Australia in 1878. His Death Certificate states he was born in Devonshire, England.
Also on DC it says he had been in the Australian Colonies of Tasmania and Victoria 20yrs.
On both certificates, his father’s name is William GREY also. (no middle name)
His mother’s name on MC is given as Eleanor (LUKE) GREY. Mother not known on DC. His father’s occupation given as Wesleyan Minister on MC and Minister of Religion on DC.
Information from my grandmother who was born in 1879, was that he was a master mariner and had been on a ship which was wrecked on the way to New Zealand. He died before she was born. Other information from her I have found to be skewed, so don’t know how reliable this info is.
Any help greatly appreciated. This has had me stumped for years.
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Welcome to the boards, Lucienne.
Have you tried to find him in either the Scottish or English censuses, and any possible births for him?
Thank-you
Added:
First marriage at 36? Bachelor or widower?
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Wrong occupation for Father:
1851 Scotland Census
William Gray Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: William Gray
Mother's name: Helen Gray
Gender: Male Where born: Perth, perthshire
Parish Number: 387
Civil Parish: Perth Town: Perth County: Perthshire
Address: Canal Crescent
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2D Page: 13 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 56 LINE: 12 Roll: CSSCT1851_80
William Gray 54 grocer
Helen Gray 50
Agnes Gray 19
Ann Gray 11
William Gray 15
James Mitchell 8
Source Citation: Parish: Perth; ED: 2D; Page: 13; Line: 12; Roll: CSSCT1851_80; Year: 1851.
Just putting same family:
1841 Scotland Census
Willm Gray Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Male Where born: Perthshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Perth County: Perthshire
Address: Canal Crescent
Occupation: Cotton H L W
Parish Number: 387
Willm Gray 40
Helen Gray 40
Robt Gray 15
Agnus Gray 10
Lilias Gray 7
Willm Gray 6
Ann Gray 1
Source Citation: Parish: Perth; ED: 4D; Page: 22; Line: 1440; Year: 1841.
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Something of a long shot, but just wondered if might be related???
1871 Scotland Census
Name: William Archibald Grey
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Benjamins Franklin Grey
Mother's name: Agnes Lorrine Grey
Gender: Male
Where born: Errol, Perthshire
Registration Number: 351
Registration district: Errol
Civil Parish: Errol
County: Perthshire
Address: Free Church Manss Clendrik
Occupation: Scholar
Rev Benjamins Franklin Grey 51 Minister
Agnes Lorrine Grey 47
Jane Gordon Grey 15
William Archibald Grey 10
Mary Agness Grey 9
Charles Walton Armeston 11
Mary Ann Dorff 34
Isabella Mcpherson 15
Jan
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This one is a stone mason, arrival date is OK and from Perth, but wrong part of Australia:
New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896 about William Gray
Name: William Gray
Birth Year: abt 1834
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Arrival Date: 28 Aug 1857
Vessel Name: Vocalist
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Thank for all your efforts.
Hi patchem. Thanks for the info.
He was a bachelor when married 1870. I've tried both Scottish and England census. The Scotland Census 1841 & 1851 have the wrong mother and wrong father occupation.
The immigrant Gray doesn't seem to tie in.
I've checked for birth England/Scotland and haven't had a match with parents of the names I have.
My closest possible match with names and fathers occupation were England 1841 census - college building, South ?Cerney, 1851 census - rectory, Upton Lovell. and 1861 census - spells name Grey instead of Gray, but William has left which ties in.
In these census - William was said to be born in Gloucestershire, South Cerney.
I can't find a birth record or any other to tie it to my William.
Hi brummiejan.
Thanks for the info, but I can't tie it in with my dates and places.
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