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Please could someone see if they can find her on the 1881 or 1891 census. She married 26/11/1894 to a Walter Grey. I am trying to find out a bit about her family. Her marriage cert doesnt give her fathers name, so was he dead or was she illigitimate

Thank you for your help

Jane

Possible?

1881 England Census
about Gertrude Bacon Name: Gertrude Bacon
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: South Kelsey, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: South Kelsey
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Caistor
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3280
Folio: 16
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Elizth. Bacon 67
Geo. Bacon 22
Gertrude Bacon 9

A servant in 1891?

1891 England Census
about Gertrude Bacon Name: Gertrude Bacon
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Hunstanton
Ecclesiastical parish: The Virgin Mary
Town: Hunstanton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:

Employment status: View image
Registration district: Docking
Sub-registration district: Snettisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1562
Folio: 125
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Waters 40
Agnes Waters 26
Rob U Ingle 56
Selina J Waters 55
Arabella M Waters 14
Gertrude Bacon 18
Agnes Wright 23

Or this one in 1881?

1881 England Census
about Gertrude Bacon Name: Gertrude Bacon
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Thomas Bacon
Mother: Phebe Bacon
Gender: Female
Where born: Wyberton, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: Sleaford
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: No 31 West St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Sleaford
Sub-registration district: Sleaford
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3223
Folio: 14
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bacon 33
Phebe Bacon 26
Mary A. Bacon 10
Gertrude Bacon 8
Edith Bacon 7
John T. Bacon 5

Possible death?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Gertrude Elizabeth Grey Name: Gertrude Elizabeth Grey
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1900
Age at Death: 28
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 555

That one in 1881 with Thomas is looking good. It would possibly agree with the baptism record in FreeReg that i have just found. Although it had her mother as Mary. They have her as being born in Wyberton. I suppose Phebe could be a second marriage???

Thanks for your help Jane

Thanks Margee You have been very helpful. I had nothing firm to go on but it looks like I am getting there with your help.

All the best

Jane

I have just found a marriage for Phoebe Thompson and Thomas bacon in Mar quarter 1881 in Sleaford, Lincs. So it is all beginning to come together.

Thank you for your help

Jane

The first one Margee posted is still with her Grandma in 1891.

If your Gertrude didn't name a father on her marriage, isn't more likely that she didn't know her father?

1891

Name: Elizabeth Bacon
Age: 78
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Where born: Brigg, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Wrawby
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
Town: Brigg
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Brigg
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2625
Folio: 133
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Bacon 78
Gertrude E Bacon 19, dressmaker, b. LEEDS,YORKSHIRE
Elizabeth A Stamp 10

No birth showing on FreeBMD for a Gertrude Bacon born around the time in Yorkshire.

If a father's identity is known, it will be on his child's marriage cert, whether or not he is dead, so the assumption must be that she was illegitimate

What does the 1901 census give for her birthplace?

Who witnessed her marriage?

How old was she?

And what was her address?

EDIT:

Just noticed that she didn't live long enough to be on 1901 census

The inclusion of Elizabeth in her name when she married (you forgot to tell us that) would seem to suggest that the 'granddaughter' in the census records is the right girl

As she was recorded as being 28 when she died in the first qtr of 1900, her birth must have been before 31st March 1872

The one whose father was Thomas was born later than that

Hi Reggie

Thanks for your help

Gertrude was 22 at time of marriage 1894. The witnesses were It looks like Frederick Drewry Snell and Fanny Furniss. it only gives her address as Glanford Grigg. He was in Raith cum Maltby

Jane

Thomas's first wife?

Deaths Sep 1876 (>99%)
Bacon Mary 27 Sleaford 7a 295

Thats the one I found. The second marriage I found was to Phoebe Thompson in Mar 1881 in Sleaford.

Jane

Pretty conclusive then.........

In 1891, the illegitimate Gertrude was living with her grandmother in Brigg.

The other family were in Sleaford district.............. at the other end of the County.

Check any road map for info

This is the only one on FreeBMD that could be her:

Births Sep 1872 (>99%)
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Bacon Gertrude Boston 7a 383


Boston district covers Wyberton where it says the one with parents Thomas & Phoebe was born.

thanks for that Reggie.

I do not know the area very well as I live the other end of the country, down South.

Thanks for your help

Jane

Thanks Margee Its all confusing isnt it. I just hope I choose the right one.

Reggie

Going back to that 1891 census you kindly found for me. can you please tell me what realtion Elizabeth A stamp is to Elizabeth Bacon. One of my Grey/ gray family married into the Stamp family.

Thanks

Jane

I can't help you with census info.............sorry

I don't live in the area, either...............I keep a UK road atlas on my desk

If Gertrude had known her father, he would have been named on her marriage cert..................