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ArgyllGran I have looked at the links you posted - what a waste of a life.

I am going to see if I can find an obituary and will report back if I do.

I really, really appreciate all the work you have put into helping me :-)


ps and other posters too!

Thank you again Argyllgran How very sad To die in an accident like that at such a young age :-(
I will go and see if I can look at those newspapers

Thank you Mgnv for all that helpful information I will print it out :-)

For reference:
Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DUCE George Thomas W North Meols North Sefton ROBERTS NM/80/369

The North Meols Sub-district used to be in Ormskirk RD but now this falls in Sefton North RD

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DUCE George F W ROBERTS Mary A St Andrew's, Southport North Sefton XC2/2/58

Births Mar 1899 (>99%)
Duce George Thomas W Ormskirk 8b 852

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
DUCE George Frederick W Ormskirk 8b 1327
Roberts Mary Ann Ormskirk 8b 1327

Christine's got the 1930 images now, it seems, so getting those free images is a bit redundant:

First locate the transcription on FS:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES
and note the important info (in 1930, this includes the NARA reel # explicitly).
In the other years, the last 3 digits of the film # coincide with the NARA reel #'s, except 1910.
1910 needs a catalog look up. (EDIT for the film #)
The FS hit has a free image link in 1850, 1870, 1900, 1940.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4VT-7CW
Household ID: 100
GS Film number: 1821076
Digital Folder Number: 004313377
Image Number: 00535

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MNMX-Y57
Household ID: 72
GS Film number: 1821593
Digital Folder Number: 004384843
Image Number: 00893

Next go to https://archive.org/details/1920_census (or whever year you fancy) and pick the state, then the reel.
Click the read online link and it takes you to an URL like:
https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1076unit#page/n0/mode/2up

Edit this, changing the page # and up-ness, to:
https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1076unit#page/n535/mode/1up
or whatever your first guess is. The image # is close, but usually too high.
One can usually check the h/h # and page back a couple of clicks.
Sometimes one needs to look up a name on the page you've gotten, and see its image #.


Anyways, magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1076unit#page/n533/mode/1up
https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1593unit#page/n888/mode/1up

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Unlike the UK, the US (and Canadian) censuses didn't distribute forms in the week before census night, but went round after the census and the enumerator filled in the info on the threshold (or maybe just inside, as the nominal census day was 1/1/1920). The info was supposed to reflect the status on the nominal census day, but it's a bit open to interpretation if George was a member of the h/h or not if he's newly enlisted.It was much more of a problem in the Canadian prairie census of 1/6/1916 as this was during WW1 (the census had a special column to indicate whether service personnel were serving elsewhere in Canada or else Overseas). Out west, the districts given to one enumerator could be huge by UK standards - I've seen instances of over 500 sq miles - so going round twice (to drop off and pick up forms) wasn't really practicable.

"SOLDIER'S BODY RETURNED. The body of George Deuce, a regular army soldier who was accidentally killed In Texas last week, is expected to arrive in this city today. It will be taken to the home of his parents at 39 Carroll street, Kingston. Funeral arrangements will not be made until the. body arrives."

http://contentdm1.accesspa.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/wbsunind/id/1268/rv/compoundobject/cpd/1290
(Small paragraph at the bottom of column 6 on page 1 of the paper.)

How sad!

"On the arrival of the body of George Deuce, a soldier who was accidentally shot at Del Rio, Texas, at his home, in - Kingston, accompanied by John Smith, of - Edwardsville; the details of his death were disclosed. The young man shot by another soldier while rehearsing a scene from "Uncle Tom's Cabin," the soldier who did the shooting being under the impression ttiaf his revolver was unloaded. "
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/52520779/


"WILKES - BARRE, Pa. Sept. 28. Private George Deuce, of the 12th cavalry, stationed at Del Rio, Tex. who was accidently shot and killed while rehearsing a scene in "Uncle Tom's Cabin," was buried from his home at Forty For.t yesterday. "
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/48898019/

Found this:


George Duece of Kingston was accidentally shot and killed on a rifle range in Texas, where his regiment was stationed.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wbalmanacs/1921AlmanacMoreGoldStarDeaths1920.txt

It says he was a polisher, Christine. Not sure what sort of Army job that was - can't find any information on Google.

ArgyllGran

thank you so much for those - and the info re. the census. I really do much appreciate your help and time spent

I guess the next step for me is to see if the death was reported and try to find burial records.

re. my PM I've just realised what I'd read as workman is actually unknown Doh!!! :-D

I've sent it again, Christine.

Also the Camp Furlong record.

Re dates of records;
the Luzerne census record was done on 8th January, and the Camp Furlong one was 26-27 January, so he could indeed have been in both places.

Sorry got to go and feed OH will be back asap

thank you too JoonieCloonie

Perhaps someone will kindly pm me with the Camp Furlong image.

Thanks also for the Family Search info - I was a bit wary about registering but will do what you say now.
His father was born in England but as we all know what's put on records isn't always accurate !
:-D
I would appreciate any suggestions regarding how I could find out more details

many thanks

Jooniecloonie;-
it does look like an "F" in the image.

It says he was naturalised in 1918.

sorry posts must have crossed - isn't it strange that he appeared on 2 censuses - but it may be that they were taken on different dates in different states?

Thank you again - I have pm'd you as the image didn't come thro but it certainly sounds as if this is my George

I wonder if this would have been reported in the Kingston newspapers?

The Camp Furlong record is probably him, in view of the details in the death record. But it's the 1920 census, so he must have been listed twice, once at home, and once in camp.



Name: George F Duece
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1920
Event Place: Camp Furlong, Luna, New Mexico, United States
District: 72
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Relationship to Head of Household: Soldier
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Soldier
Own or Rent:
Birth Year (Estimated): 1898
Birthplace: England
Immigration Year: 1904
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Sheet Number and Letter: 39A
Household ID: 100
Line Number: 16
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T625
GS Film number: 1821076
Digital Folder Number: 004313377
Image Number: 00535
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Soldier William B Bair M 22 Pennsylvania
Soldier John F Bierce M 27 Ohio
Soldier Harry Burrows M 19 Maryland
Soldier Logan Candill M 21 Kentucky
Soldier Lee J Collier M 18 Illinois
Soldier James K Cousins M 21 North Carolina
Soldier George F Duece M 22 England

(and many others)

edit, Argyllgran got there ahead of me, so it does seem likely the Texas records are correct for him

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The 1920 census entry shown at familysearch

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4VT-7CW

does give an immigration date of 1904 so that is one more point of similarity

The 'F' might well be a mistranscribed 'T"
someone with access to US records at Ancestry might check the original image?

Name: George F Duece
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1920
Event Place: Camp Furlong, Luna, New Mexico, United States
District: 72
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Marital Status: Single
Relationship to Head of Household: Soldier
Birth Year (Estimated): 1898
Birthplace: England
Immigration Year: 1904
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England


while the death record apparently says London, England

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KSBK-LVT

that could be just a general guess by someone in the military for instance

I would say father's birth place definitely says 'unknown, France'



by the way Christine it is free to sign in to familysearch, just use a pen name and throwaway email address (I do for everything on line just for privacy and to avoid spam etc)

The death is the right one, I think.
His address is given as 30 Carle, Kingston, which is where he was living in 1920.

I've PM'd you the image.


Details:
Male, white, single.
DOB unknown; age 22 yrs, 7mths.
Parents details unknown; mother's birthplace England, father's birthplace is a squiggle which might just possibly be France.
Informant; someone at Camp Del Rio (can't make out the name)
Date of death: 20/09/1920.
Cause of death: gunshot wound..
Place of burial or removal: Kingston, PA

Thanks very much ArgyllGran for that
I am pretty certain that his birth was 1899 from BMD records although the US one may be wrong it's hard to know isn't it without more detail :-(

I have seen on Family Search a George F DUECE b. 1898 England (although it does say London) at Camp Furlong, Luna New Mexico in US Army and a death for the same name in 1920 at Del Rio Val Verde Texas but I am not a registered member so can't access the records