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It does not take much to confuse me at my age, I traced the parents of a William Richmond who married a Jane Wotherspoon, the parents for William on their marriage certificate were given as a John Richmond and a Janet Meikle, on a census I determined that Janet was born in Lesmahagow and that John was born in Loudoun.

So far so good I thought, so I then tried to trace the marriage for John & Janet on Scotlands People, and below is what I found, two marriage both on the same date for a John Richmond and a Janet Meikle, very strange, so can anyone help, is this a coincidence or are they one and the same couple?

18/04/1846 RICHMOND JOHN JANET MEIKLE/FR345 (FR345) M LOUDOUN /AYR 603/00 0040 0141

18/04/1846 RICHMOND JOHN JANET MEIKLE/FR1203 (FR1203) M LESMAHAGOW /LANARK 649/00 0050 0189

Thanks :-S

Perhaps Scottish law dictates that marriages have to be recorded in both areas..............

.......although there are several Janet Meikles in Lesmahagow in 1841

It would seem sensible to download the cert.................

1841 census


Household MEIKLE, Janet 1823 18 F Lesmahagow Lanarkshire VIEW
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Household MEIKLE, Janet 1819 22 F Lesmahagow Lanarkshire VIEW
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Household MEIKLE, Janet 1828 13 F Lesmahagow Lanarkshire VIEW
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Household MEIKLE, Janet 1786 55 F Lesmahagow Lanarkshire VIEW
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Household MEIKLE, Janet 1829 12 F Lesmahagow Lanarkshire VIEW
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Household MEIKLE, Janet 1821 20 F Lesmahagow Lanarkshire VIEW

For birth year info, which you missed out

1851 census

Person: RICHMOND, Janet Address: Loudoun Stables, Loudoun Stables, Loudoun


RICHMOND, John Head Married M 39 1812 Gardener
Loudoun, Ayr
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RICHMOND, Janet Wife Married F 33 1818 Gardener's Wife
Lesmahagow, Lanark
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RICHMOND, William Son M 4 1847 Gardener's Son
Loudoun, Ayr

OFITG, have you looked at the images? I would think that this is the same couple. Marriages in Scotland could (in theory) take place anywhere and be registered after. The images will tell you where the marriage took place.

BTW.............exactly the same info is on familysearch site........which is free

Although you can't view the original on there, of course

Just realised there are no certs...........too early.

Thanks Reggie and Potty

That 1851 Census is the one that I got the details for John && Janet from. as tothe certificates, they are the old parish record type prior to 1855 and they do not really provide any clear details and the problems with my eyesight does not help things.

I have Janet Meikle born c1818 and she died at age 84 at Loudoun, Ayrshire, Scotland, in 1902.

Insulin & food time, so will need to log off, will check back in morning.

Same here Reggie, just noticed the date! Still think the entries are for the same couple - too much of a coincidence. If any of their children were born in Scotland after 1855, the birth cert will give date and place of marriage.

Of course the entries could be for Banns and not the marriage - would explain them being in both parishes.

As civil registration was not introduced in Scotland until 1855 these two records cannot be records of a civil marriage as OFITG has indicated,

I'm not up on research in Scotland but as with banns having to be read in both bride and grooms respective parish thus pruducing two seperate records for the same event, Is it there for possible that this is the case on this occasion?

Roy

I've no doubt that one is a record of banns being proclaimed, and the other is a record of the marr.
Here's 2 such examples from my tree - my ggg grandparents, and their elest son

William Slessor
marriage: 21 December 1820 Longside,Aberdeen,Scotland
spouse: Christian Slessor
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTNR-Y6N

William Slessor
marriage: 23 December 1820 Old Deer,Aberdeen,Scotland
spouse: Christian Slessor
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTJM-J3G



Robert Slessor
marriage: 14 December 1850 Cruden,Aberdeen,Scotland
spouse: Jane Arthur
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTNF-Q4Z

Robert Slessor
marriage: 19 December 1850 Ellon,Aberdeen,Scotland
spouse: Jane Arthur
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTNJ-T5W

In each of these examples the marr was at the later date in the bride's parish, but I couldn't say this was always the case.


Statutory b.certs name the parents date & place of marr (but this was omitted 1856-1860). See:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&628

It may be worth looking at the actual images on Scotlandspeople. The details given on OPRs varied from parish to parish. Some give the name and occupation of the fathers.

If the couple remained in Scotland and died after statutory registration began in 1855 then their death registrations will name the parents if the informant knew the details. Remember that female deaths can be search cross referencing both married and maiden surnames.

A big thank you to everyone for your guidance and assistance, this morning, my sight is at its best in the morning, I had a closer look at the two marriage images, and with the help of windows photo viewer I magnified them, and this revealed that what several of you have said is correct.

The banns were read in two parishes, in the Parish of Loudoun in Ayrshire in relation to John Richmond and in the Parish of Lesmahagow in relation to Janet Meikle, so they relate to just the one couple.

Thanks Again,

Jim