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26 Mar 2014 00:20 |
Researching my grandfather, Herbert Wilson, born about 1875 Bradford, father Thomas, mother Selina (nee Shaw????/) brothers Harry b.1889, Horace b.1892, Ernest b.1886 d.1888, Fred b.1881 and sister Edith b. 1878. Any information on any of the above much appreciated. KB. :-D
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SylviaInCanada
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26 Mar 2014 04:30 |
for our information, this looks like Herbert in 1881 with his parents and siblings
1881 Census
Name: Thomas Wilson Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Salema Wilson Gender: Male Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Tong County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Tong Street Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Ironstone Miner Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Drighlington ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4431 Folio: 84 Page Number: 27
Thomas Wilson 29 Salema Wilson 29 b.ca 1852, Brompton, Yorkshire Herbert Wilson 6 Edith Wilson 2 Fred Wilson
from www.freebmd.org.uk
possible marriage of Thomas and Selina .................
Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)
Shaw Selina Bradford 9b 190 Wilson Thomas Bradford 9b 190
from ancestry ............
West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Herbert Wilson
Name: Herbert Wilson Birth Date: 3 Jan 1875 Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1875 Father's Name: Thomas Wilson Mother's name: Silina Wilson
from image:-
Address:- 751 (??or 151) Wakefield Road, Bouling (??sp) Father occupation:- Coal Miner
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26 Mar 2014 04:35 |
1891 Census
Name: Selina Wilson Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Tom Wilson Gender: Female Where born: Northallerton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Templenewsam Ecclesiastical parish: Whitkirk Town: Halton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Whitkirk ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3667 Folio: 34 Page Number: 12
Tom Wilson 39 b.ca 1852, Tong, Yorkshire, Coal Miner Selina Wilson 39 Herbert Wilson 16 Coal Miner Fred Wilson 10 Emily Wilson 7 Harry Welson 2
Selina is a widow by 1911 .....................
1911 Census
Name: Selina Wilson Age in 1911: 59 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Ripon, York, England Civil Parish: Templenewsam County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 44 Clapham Terrace Halton Nr Leeds Marital Status: Widowed Registration district: Hunslet Registration District Number: 501 Sub-registration district: Templenewsam ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Piece: 27163
Selina Wilson 59 Harry Wilson 22 Horace Wilson 19
The image says she had 8 children, 6 were still alive and 2 had died.
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26 Mar 2014 06:23 |
1901 confirms the surname for Selina:
Selina Wilson Age:49 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation to Head:Wife Gender:Female Spouse:Tom Wilson Mother:Emma Shaw Birth Place:Northallerton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish:Templenewsam Ecclesiastical parish:Whitkirk St Mary Town:Halton County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage:Education: Employment status: View image Registration district:Hunslet Sub-registration district:Whitkirk ED, institution, or vessel:2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:4198 Folio:14 Page Number:20 Household schedule number:126 Household Members: Name Age Tom Wilson 49 Selina Wilson 49 Edith Wilson 22 Fred Wilson 20 Harry Wilson 12 Horace Wilson 9 Emma Shaw 72 (mother in law) Alice Shaw 9 (Emma's grandchild)
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26 Mar 2014 07:04 |
Selina Shaw Birth Year:abt 1851 Age:22 Marriage or Bann Date:21 Jun 1873 Parish:Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Father's Name:John Shaw (Platelayer) Spouse's Name:Thomas Wilson (miner age 22) Spouse's Father's Name:Joseph Wilson (miner)
Both of Bowling, neither married before. Witnesses John Shaw and Robert Woodhouse.
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26 Mar 2014 07:24 |
Hi Keith, welcome to the boards - just realised you are new.
Emma Shaw is on the 1911 census with grandchild Alice. She is a widow, but on the image it states she had been married 64 years, had 11 children but 7 had died. Obviously this shouldn't have been filled in so has been crossed out by the enumerator.
Should help narrow down a marriage for her and John Shaw.
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26 Mar 2014 07:37 |
Think this may be the right family for Selina, father John is a platelayer - but mother is Emily so maybe Emma is a nickname.
Selina Shaw Age:19
Estimated birth year:abt 1852 Relation:Daughter Father's Name:John Shaw Mother's name:Emily Shaw Gender:Female Where born:Brampton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish:Bowling Ecclesiastical parish:Goole St John County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Registration district:Bradford Sub-registration district:Bowling ED, institution, or vessel:15 Household schedule number:23 Piece:4446 Folio:41 Page Number:4 Household Members: NameAge John Shaw 49 Emily Shaw 41 Selina Shaw 19 Louisa Shaw 16 Heber Shaw 14 Alfred Shaw 10 Julia Shaw 7 Phoebe Shaw 5 Polly Shaw 1
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Catherine
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26 Mar 2014 09:27 |
Looks to be relevant:-
Selina Shaw England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 29 December 1851 BROMPTON BY NORTHALLERTON,YORK,ENGLAND father: John Shaw mother: Emily
sibling:- Lucy Ann Shaw England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 3 October 1858 Tankersley, York, England residence: Tankersley, York, England father: John Shaw mother: Emily
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26 Mar 2014 09:31 |
Have you tried to find info yourself?
freebmd is the place to start....................look for possible marriages and subsequent children
Look on here in 'search all member trees'..........someone else may be researching them.
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PricklyHolly
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26 Mar 2014 09:55 |
West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985 about Harry Wilson Name:Harry Wilson Birth Date:10 Dec 1888 Event Type:Baptism Father:Tom Wilson Mother:Selina Wilson Baptism Date:30 Jan 1889 Archive Location:Leeds Parish or Chapel:Halton Reel Number:Halton, Leeds, Micklefield, Osmondthorpe, Stanningley; LNC11
West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985 about Horace Wilson Name:Horace Wilson Birth Date:2 Sep 1891 Event Type:Baptism Father:Tom Wilson Mother:Selina Wilson Baptism Date:21 Oct 1891 Archive Location:Leeds Parish or Chapel:Halton Reel Number: Halton, Leeds, Micklefield, Osmondthorpe, Stanningley; LNC11
(Horaces's occupation on the 1911 census is...Wholsesale Clothing Warehouseman
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Horace Wilson Name:Horace Wilson (Bachelor) Clothier.....Halton Birth Year:abt 1892 Age:23 Marriage or Bann Date:22 May 1915 Parish:Leeds, All Saints Father's Name:Tom Wilson (Miner) Deceased Spouse's Name:Isabel Smailes Spinster (Skirt Maker) 15 Viney Terrace Spouse's Father's Name:John Smailes (Iron Turner) Witnesses: John Smailes and Harry Wilson Daughter Edith.......
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Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%) Batty Joe Hunslet 9b 573 Midgley Herbert Hunslet 9b 573
Household transcription 1911 census
Person: BATTY, Edith Address: 70 Green Lane Halton BATTY, Joe Head Married M 35 1876 Wholesale Clothing Salesman Leeds Yorkshire VIEW BATTY, Edith Wife Married8 years F 32 1879 Bradford Yorkshire VIEW BATTY, Harold Granville Son M 7 1904 Halton Yorkshire VIEW BATTY, Florence Enid Daughter F 5 1906 Halton Yorkshire VIEW BATTY, Ralph Son M 3 1908 Halton Yorkshire VIEW BATTY, Phylis Margaret Daughter F 1 1910 Halton Yorkshire VIEW HUGHES, Hannah Maria Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Stockton / Lees Durham VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 27164 Reference: RG14PN27164 RG78PN1552 RD501 SD2 ED2 SN150 Registration District: Hunslet Sub District: Templenewsam Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Templenewsam Address: 70 Green Lane Halton County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Did your Grandfather marry Beatrice Elizabeth Thompson?
?? Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%) Thompson Beatrice Elizabeth Hunslet 9b 540 WILSON Herbert Hunslet 9b 540
1901 England Census about Herbert Wilson Name:Herbert Wilson Age:26 Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Spouse:Beatrice Eliz Wilson Birth Place:Bradford, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish:Templenewsam Ecclesiastical parish:Whitkirk St Mary Town:Halton County/Island: Yorkshire Country:England Registration district:Hunslet Sub-registration district:Whitkirk Household Members:
Herbert Wilson 26 Beatrice Eliz Wilson 23 Ethel Wilson 1
Household transcription 1911 census
Person: WILSON, Herbert Address: 5 Boston St Castleford WILSON, Herbert Head Married M 36 1875 Stone Hewer Bradford Yorks VIEW WILSON, Beatrice Elizabeth Wife Married12 years F 33 1878 Home Halton Yorks VIEW WILSON, Ethel Daughter F 11 1900 School Halton Yorks VIEW WILSON, Marion Daughter F 3 1908 Castleford Yorks VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 27508 Reference: RG14PN27508 RG78PN1574 RD505 SD4 ED22 SN134 Registration District: Pontefract Sub District: Castleford Enumeration District: 22 Parish: Castleford Address: 5 Boston St Castleford County: Yorkshire (West riding)
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26 Mar 2014 10:00 |
I know this has already been posted, but posting again for further info:-
1871 England Census about John Shaw Name: John Shaw Age: 49 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily Shaw Gender: Male Where born: Carlton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bowling Ecclesiastical parish: Goole St John County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Bowling ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 23 Piece: 4446 Folio: 41 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age John Shaw 49 Emily Shaw 41 Selina Shaw 19 - Worsted Weaver Louisa Shaw 16 - Worsted Weaver xxxx Heber Shaw 14 - Plumber xxxx Alfred Shaw 10 Julia Shaw 7 Phoebe Shaw 5 Polly Shaw 1
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West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Heber Shaw Name: Heber Shaw Birth Year: abt 1856 Age: 23 Occupation: Plumber Address: 358 Bowling Back Lane, Bowling Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Mar 1879 Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Father's Name: John Shaw Occupation: Book keeper Spouse's Name: Mary Cusworth Address: 211 Bowling Back Lane, Bowling Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Cusworth Occupation: Gardener
..................One thing I don't understand is why Heber gives his father's occupation as book keeper? (There doesn't seem to be two Heber Shaws)
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1881 England Census about Helber Shaw Name: Helber Shaw [Heber Shaw] Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Mary Shaw Gender: Male Where born: Gomersall, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Tong County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Tong Street Marital Status: Married Occupation: Plumber Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Drighlington ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4431 Folio: 84 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Helber Shaw 24 Mary Shaw 28 born: Lofthouse, Yorkshire ................................................................
1891 England Census about Heber Shaw Name: Heber Shaw Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Shaw Gender: Male Where born: Birkenshaw, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Horton Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Plumber Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Horton ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3640 Folio: 145 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Heber Shaw 34 Mary Shaw 37 ..........................................................
Heber Shaw England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-1920 birth: 1857 death: 1894 Bradford, Yorkshire, England
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PricklyHolly
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26 Mar 2014 12:33 |
As Keith is a new poster........I will send him a PM to let him know he has received replies.
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KiwiKeith
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27 Mar 2014 01:49 |
Many, many thanks to all who contributed. I had some of the details, but not all, not by a long shot. :-) @PricklyHolly - yes my g/father married Beatrice E. Thompson :-) @Catherine - I will have to do more research on Heber (Eber?) Shaw and Edith Batty Regards Keith Booth
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PricklyHolly
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27 Mar 2014 08:23 |
Just to rule out Lucy Ann Shaw as Selina's sister..........
She belongs to this couple...
1871 England Census about Lucy Ann Shaw Name:Lucy Ann Shaw Age:12 Estimated birth year:abt 1859 Relation:Daughter Father's Name:John Shaw Mother's name:Emily Shaw Gender:Female Where born:Otley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish:Bradfield Ecclesiastical parish:Stannington Town:Holdworth County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Registration district:Wortley Sub-registration district:Bradfield
Household Members:
John Shaw 35 (Stone Mason) Emily Shaw 29 Lucy Ann Shaw 12 Sama S G Shaw 10 Almena Shaw 2 Months Harry Goldsbrouse 10
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27 Mar 2014 09:40 |
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Polly Shaw Name:Polly Shaw (Weaver) Spinster Birth Year:abt 1870 Age:26 Marriage or Bann Date:22 Aug 1896 Parish:Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Father's Name:John Shaw (Railway Goods Checker) Spouse's Name:Thomas Riddin Shaw (Insurance Agent) Bachelor Spouse's Father's Name:Edward Shaw (Blacksmith) Deceased Witnesses: Fred Boater and Phebe Shaw
Polly on the image.........
1901 England Census about Solly Shaw Name:Solly Shaw Age:32 Estimated birth year:abt 1869 Relation to Head:Wife Gender:Female Spouse:Thomas Riddin Shaw Birth Place:Bradford, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish:Bramley Ecclesiastical parish:Bramley St Peter County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England
Household Members:
Thomas Riddin Shaw 50 (Insurance Agent) Solly Shaw 32 John Edward Shaw 3
Household transcription 1911 census
Person: SHAW, Polly Address: 7 Newsam Square Halton Leeds
SHAW, Thomas Riddin Head Married M 60 1851 Night Watchman Bradford Yorks VIEW SHAW, Polly Wife Married14 years F 41 1870 Presser Dress Skirts Bradford Yorks VIEW SHAW, John Edward Son M 13 1898 Errand Boy Bradford Yorks VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 27163 Reference: RG14PN27163 RG78PN1552 RD501 SD2 ED1 SN53 Registration District: Hunslet Sub District: Templenewsam Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Templenewsam Address: 7 Newsam Square Halton Leeds County: Yorkshire (West riding) (2 children born....1 living)
Sister Phoebe..
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Phoebe Shaw Name:Phoebe Shaw Estimated birth year:abt 1866 Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1897 Age at Death:31 Registration district:Bradford Inferred County:Yorkshire West Riding Volume:9b Page:11
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27 Mar 2014 10:49 |
Alfred's occupation on the 1881 census is "Apprenticed Shoemaker"
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Alfred Shaw Name:Alfred Shaw (Bachelor) Shoe Maker Birth Year:abt 1860 Age:21 Marriage or Bann Date:12 Sep 1881 Parish:Tong, St James Father's Name:John Shaw (Time Keeper) Spouse's Name:Mary Jackson (Spinster) Spouse's Father's Name:Charles Jackson (Miner) Witnesses: Meena? Beever and Maria Jackson
A change of occupation on the 1901 and 1911 census...
Household transcription 1911 census
Person: SHAW, Alfred Address: 596 Wakefield Road Bradford
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image SHAW, Alfred Head Married M 50 1861 Engineers Labourer Gomersal County of York VIEW SHAW, Mary Wife Married29 years F 53 1858 North Bierley County of York VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 26681 Reference: RG14PN26681 RG78PN1539 RD498 SD1 ED7 SN62 Registration District: Bradford Sub District: Bowling Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Bradford Address: 596 Wakefield Road Bradford County: Yorkshire (West riding) ( 2 children born...1 living)
No children appear with Alfred and Mary on the 1901 census..........I can't seem to find them in 1891!
Sister Louisa....
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Louisa Shaw Name:Louisa Shaw (Spinster) Worsted Weaver Birth Year:abt 1856 Age:23 Marriage or Bann Date:13 Oct 1879 Parish:Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Father's Name:John Shaw (Timekeeper at Railway Goods Yard) Spouse's Name:George Taylor (Bachelor) Railway Porter Spouse's Father's Name:George Taylor (Farmer) Witnesses: Alfred and Mary Shaw
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27 Mar 2014 16:18 |
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Julia Ann Shaw Name:Julia Ann Shaw (Spinster) Birth Year:abt 1863 Age:20 Marriage or Bann Date:13 May 1883 Parish:Birstall, St Peter Father's Name:John Shaw (Time Keeper) Spouse's Name:Tom Sugden (Bachelor) Blacksmith Spouse's Father's Name:William Parker Sugden (Grocer) Deceased Witnesses: Thomas Wilson and Robert Jones
Household transcription 1911 census
Person: SUGDEN, Julia Ann Address: 1 Sheridan St Bradford
SUGDEN, Tom Head Married M 47 1864 Driller Iron West Hartlepool VIEW SUGDEN, Julia Ann Wife Married27 years F 47 1864 Bradford Yorks VIEW SUGDEN, Harry Son Single M 14 1897 Hair Dresser Apprentice Bradford Yorks VIEW SUGDEN, Emily Daughter Single F 24 1887 Burler And Mender Bradford Yorks VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 26681 Reference: RG14PN26681 RG78PN1539 RD498 SD1 ED7 SN303 Registration District: Bradford Sub District: Bowling Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Bradford Address: 1 Sheridan St Bradford County: Yorkshire (West riding) (4 children born, 3 living, 1 had died)
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1 Apr 2014 04:43 |
@PricklyHolly Many thanks for info. It will take me some time to go through it all. I have particular interest in my G/father's Death details (Herbert Wilson) as it was an unusual death probably 1928 Waakefield????. I have tried to find the Coroner's report, but Wakefield Records say they are lost. :-( Any thoughts? Regards KB.
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1 Apr 2014 09:48 |
Hi Keith
There is a member on Ancestry that has your family in their tree.
Wood Family Tree........Tree owner.......johnwood1793
You can check out the tree on Ancestry's sister site here....
http://www.mundia.com/gb/
Perhaps if you make contact with the tree owner, he might be able to provide you with further information.
Prickles.
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KiwiKeith
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2 Apr 2014 22:11 |
Thanks Prickles :-)
I have had previous contact with John Wood. KB.
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