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HERBERT WILSON 1875-1928 BRADFORD YORKS.

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KiwiKeith

KiwiKeith Report 26 Mar 2014 00:20

Researching my grandfather, Herbert Wilson, born about 1875 Bradford, father Thomas, mother Selina (nee Shaw????/) brothers Harry b.1889, Horace b.1892, Ernest b.1886 d.1888, Fred b.1881 and sister Edith b. 1878.
Any information on any of the above much appreciated. KB. :-D

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Mar 2014 04:30

for our information, this looks like Herbert in 1881 with his parents and siblings


1881 Census

Name: Thomas Wilson
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Salema Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Tong
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Tong Street
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Ironstone Miner
Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Drighlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4431
Folio: 84
Page Number: 27

Thomas Wilson 29
Salema Wilson 29 b.ca 1852, Brompton, Yorkshire
Herbert Wilson 6
Edith Wilson 2
Fred Wilson




from www.freebmd.org.uk

possible marriage of Thomas and Selina .................


Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)

Shaw Selina Bradford 9b 190
Wilson Thomas Bradford 9b 190



from ancestry ............



West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Herbert Wilson

Name: Herbert Wilson
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1875
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1875
Father's Name: Thomas Wilson
Mother's name: Silina Wilson

from image:-

Address:- 751 (??or 151) Wakefield Road, Bouling (??sp)
Father occupation:- Coal Miner

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Mar 2014 04:35

1891 Census

Name: Selina Wilson
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Tom Wilson
Gender: Female
Where born: Northallerton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Templenewsam
Ecclesiastical parish: Whitkirk
Town: Halton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hunslet
Sub-registration district: Whitkirk
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3667
Folio: 34
Page Number: 12

Tom Wilson 39 b.ca 1852, Tong, Yorkshire, Coal Miner
Selina Wilson 39
Herbert Wilson 16 Coal Miner
Fred Wilson 10
Emily Wilson 7
Harry Welson 2


Selina is a widow by 1911 .....................

1911 Census

Name: Selina Wilson
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ripon, York, England
Civil Parish: Templenewsam
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 44 Clapham Terrace Halton Nr Leeds
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Hunslet
Registration District Number: 501
Sub-registration district: Templenewsam
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 27163

Selina Wilson 59
Harry Wilson 22
Horace Wilson 19


The image says she had 8 children, 6 were still alive and 2 had died.

Flip

Flip Report 26 Mar 2014 06:23

1901 confirms the surname for Selina:


Selina Wilson
Age:49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Spouse:Tom Wilson
Mother:Emma Shaw
Birth Place:Northallerton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Templenewsam
Ecclesiastical parish:Whitkirk St Mary
Town:Halton
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district:Hunslet
Sub-registration district:Whitkirk
ED, institution, or vessel:2
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:4198
Folio:14
Page Number:20
Household schedule number:126
Household Members:
Name
Age
Tom Wilson 49
Selina Wilson 49
Edith Wilson 22
Fred Wilson 20
Harry Wilson 12
Horace Wilson 9
Emma Shaw 72 (mother in law)
Alice Shaw 9 (Emma's grandchild)

Flip

Flip Report 26 Mar 2014 07:04


Selina Shaw
Birth Year:abt 1851
Age:22
Marriage or Bann Date:21 Jun 1873
Parish:Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name:John Shaw (Platelayer)
Spouse's Name:Thomas Wilson (miner age 22)
Spouse's Father's Name:Joseph Wilson (miner)

Both of Bowling, neither married before. Witnesses John Shaw and Robert Woodhouse.

Flip

Flip Report 26 Mar 2014 07:24

Hi Keith, welcome to the boards - just realised you are new.

Emma Shaw is on the 1911 census with grandchild Alice. She is a widow, but on the image it states she had been married 64 years, had 11 children but 7 had died. Obviously this shouldn't have been filled in so has been crossed out by the enumerator.

Should help narrow down a marriage for her and John Shaw.

Flip

Flip Report 26 Mar 2014 07:37

Think this may be the right family for Selina, father John is a platelayer - but mother is Emily so maybe Emma is a nickname.


Selina Shaw
Age:19

Estimated birth year:abt 1852
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:John Shaw
Mother's name:Emily Shaw
Gender:Female
Where born:Brampton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Bowling
Ecclesiastical parish:Goole St John
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Registration district:Bradford
Sub-registration district:Bowling
ED, institution, or vessel:15
Household schedule number:23
Piece:4446
Folio:41
Page Number:4
Household Members:
NameAge
John Shaw 49
Emily Shaw 41
Selina Shaw 19
Louisa Shaw 16
Heber Shaw 14
Alfred Shaw 10
Julia Shaw 7
Phoebe Shaw 5
Polly Shaw 1

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2014 09:27

Looks to be relevant:-

Selina Shaw
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 December 1851 BROMPTON BY NORTHALLERTON,YORK,ENGLAND
father: John Shaw
mother: Emily

sibling:-
Lucy Ann Shaw
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 3 October 1858 Tankersley, York, England
residence: Tankersley, York, England
father: John Shaw
mother: Emily

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Mar 2014 09:31

Have you tried to find info yourself?

freebmd is the place to start....................look for possible marriages and subsequent children

Look on here in 'search all member trees'..........someone else may be researching them.


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 26 Mar 2014 09:55

West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985
about Harry Wilson Name:Harry Wilson
Birth Date:10 Dec 1888
Event Type:Baptism
Father:Tom Wilson
Mother:Selina Wilson
Baptism Date:30 Jan 1889
Archive Location:Leeds
Parish or Chapel:Halton
Reel Number:Halton, Leeds, Micklefield, Osmondthorpe, Stanningley; LNC11



West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985
about Horace Wilson Name:Horace Wilson
Birth Date:2 Sep 1891
Event Type:Baptism
Father:Tom Wilson
Mother:Selina Wilson
Baptism Date:21 Oct 1891
Archive Location:Leeds
Parish or Chapel:Halton
Reel Number:
Halton, Leeds, Micklefield, Osmondthorpe, Stanningley; LNC11

(Horaces's occupation on the 1911 census is...Wholsesale Clothing Warehouseman


West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
about Horace Wilson Name:Horace Wilson (Bachelor) Clothier.....Halton
Birth Year:abt 1892
Age:23
Marriage or Bann Date:22 May 1915
Parish:Leeds, All Saints
Father's Name:Tom Wilson (Miner) Deceased
Spouse's Name:Isabel Smailes Spinster (Skirt Maker) 15 Viney Terrace
Spouse's Father's Name:John Smailes (Iron Turner)
Witnesses: John Smailes and Harry Wilson


Daughter Edith.......

??

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Batty Joe Hunslet 9b 573
Midgley Herbert Hunslet 9b 573


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: BATTY, Edith
Address: 70 Green Lane Halton

BATTY, Joe Head Married M 35 1876 Wholesale Clothing Salesman Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
BATTY, Edith Wife Married8 years F 32 1879 Bradford Yorkshire VIEW
BATTY, Harold Granville Son M 7 1904 Halton Yorkshire VIEW
BATTY, Florence Enid Daughter F 5 1906 Halton Yorkshire VIEW
BATTY, Ralph Son M 3 1908 Halton Yorkshire VIEW
BATTY, Phylis Margaret Daughter F 1 1910 Halton Yorkshire VIEW
HUGHES, Hannah Maria Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Stockton / Lees Durham VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 27164
Reference: RG14PN27164 RG78PN1552 RD501 SD2 ED2 SN150
Registration District: Hunslet
Sub District: Templenewsam
Enumeration District: 2
Parish: Templenewsam
Address: 70 Green Lane Halton
County: Yorkshire (West riding)


Did your Grandfather marry Beatrice Elizabeth Thompson?

??
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Thompson Beatrice Elizabeth Hunslet 9b 540
WILSON Herbert Hunslet 9b 540



1901 England Census
about Herbert Wilson Name:Herbert Wilson
Age:26 Estimated birth year:
abt 1875
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Beatrice Eliz Wilson
Birth Place:Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Templenewsam
Ecclesiastical parish:Whitkirk St Mary
Town:Halton County/Island:
Yorkshire
Country:England
Registration district:Hunslet
Sub-registration district:Whitkirk

Household Members:

Herbert Wilson 26
Beatrice Eliz Wilson 23
Ethel Wilson 1


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: WILSON, Herbert
Address: 5 Boston St Castleford

WILSON, Herbert Head Married M 36 1875 Stone Hewer Bradford Yorks VIEW
WILSON, Beatrice Elizabeth Wife Married12 years F 33 1878 Home Halton Yorks VIEW
WILSON, Ethel Daughter F 11 1900 School Halton Yorks VIEW
WILSON, Marion Daughter F 3 1908 Castleford Yorks VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 27508
Reference: RG14PN27508 RG78PN1574 RD505 SD4 ED22 SN134
Registration District: Pontefract
Sub District: Castleford
Enumeration District: 22
Parish: Castleford
Address: 5 Boston St Castleford
County: Yorkshire (West riding)


Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2014 10:00

I know this has already been posted, but posting again for further info:-

1871 England Census about John Shaw
Name: John Shaw
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Shaw
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Bowling
Ecclesiastical parish: Goole St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bowling
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 4446
Folio: 41
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John Shaw 49
Emily Shaw 41
Selina Shaw 19 - Worsted Weaver
Louisa Shaw 16 - Worsted Weaver
xxxx Heber Shaw 14 - Plumber xxxx
Alfred Shaw 10
Julia Shaw 7
Phoebe Shaw 5
Polly Shaw 1

...........................................................................

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Heber Shaw
Name: Heber Shaw
Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 23
Occupation: Plumber
Address: 358 Bowling Back Lane, Bowling
Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Mar 1879
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name: John Shaw
Occupation: Book keeper
Spouse's Name: Mary Cusworth
Address: 211 Bowling Back Lane, Bowling
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Cusworth
Occupation: Gardener

..................One thing I don't understand is why Heber gives his father's occupation as book keeper? (There doesn't seem to be two Heber Shaws)


.........................................................

1881 England Census about Helber Shaw
Name: Helber Shaw
[Heber Shaw]
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary Shaw
Gender: Male
Where born: Gomersall, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Tong
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Tong Street
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Plumber
Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Drighlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4431
Folio: 84
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Helber Shaw 24
Mary Shaw 28 born: Lofthouse, Yorkshire
................................................................

1891 England Census about Heber Shaw
Name: Heber Shaw
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Shaw
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenshaw, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Horton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Plumber
Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Horton
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3640
Folio: 145
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Heber Shaw 34
Mary Shaw 37
..........................................................

Heber Shaw
England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-1920
birth: 1857
death: 1894 Bradford, Yorkshire, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 26 Mar 2014 12:33

As Keith is a new poster........I will send him a PM to let him know he has received replies.

KiwiKeith

KiwiKeith Report 27 Mar 2014 01:49

Many, many thanks to all who contributed. I had some of the details, but not all, not by a long shot. :-)
@PricklyHolly - yes my g/father married Beatrice E. Thompson :-)
@Catherine - I will have to do more research on Heber (Eber?) Shaw and Edith Batty
Regards Keith Booth

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Mar 2014 08:23

Just to rule out Lucy Ann Shaw as Selina's sister..........

She belongs to this couple...


1871 England Census
about Lucy Ann Shaw Name:Lucy Ann Shaw
Age:12
Estimated birth year:abt 1859
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:John Shaw
Mother's name:Emily Shaw
Gender:Female
Where born:Otley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Bradfield
Ecclesiastical parish:Stannington
Town:Holdworth
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Registration district:Wortley
Sub-registration district:Bradfield

Household Members:

John Shaw 35 (Stone Mason)
Emily Shaw 29
Lucy Ann Shaw 12
Sama S G Shaw 10
Almena Shaw 2 Months
Harry Goldsbrouse 10


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Mar 2014 09:40

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
about Polly Shaw Name:Polly Shaw (Weaver) Spinster
Birth Year:abt 1870
Age:26
Marriage or Bann Date:22 Aug 1896
Parish:Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name:John Shaw (Railway Goods Checker)
Spouse's Name:Thomas Riddin Shaw (Insurance Agent) Bachelor
Spouse's Father's Name:Edward Shaw (Blacksmith) Deceased
Witnesses: Fred Boater and Phebe Shaw

Polly on the image.........


1901 England Census
about Solly Shaw Name:Solly Shaw
Age:32
Estimated birth year:abt 1869
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Spouse:Thomas Riddin Shaw
Birth Place:Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Bramley
Ecclesiastical parish:Bramley St Peter
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England

Household Members:

Thomas Riddin Shaw 50 (Insurance Agent)
Solly Shaw 32
John Edward Shaw 3


Household transcription
1911 census


Person: SHAW, Polly
Address: 7 Newsam Square Halton Leeds

SHAW, Thomas Riddin Head Married M 60 1851 Night Watchman Bradford Yorks VIEW
SHAW, Polly Wife Married14 years F 41 1870 Presser Dress Skirts Bradford Yorks VIEW
SHAW, John Edward Son M 13 1898 Errand Boy Bradford Yorks VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 27163
Reference: RG14PN27163 RG78PN1552 RD501 SD2 ED1 SN53
Registration District: Hunslet
Sub District: Templenewsam
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Templenewsam
Address: 7 Newsam Square Halton Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
(2 children born....1 living)

Sister Phoebe..

??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Phoebe Shaw Name:Phoebe Shaw
Estimated birth year:abt 1866
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1897
Age at Death:31
Registration district:Bradford
Inferred County:Yorkshire West Riding
Volume:9b
Page:11







PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Mar 2014 10:49

Alfred's occupation on the 1881 census is "Apprenticed Shoemaker"


West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
about Alfred Shaw Name:Alfred Shaw (Bachelor) Shoe Maker
Birth Year:abt 1860
Age:21
Marriage or Bann Date:12 Sep 1881
Parish:Tong, St James
Father's Name:John Shaw (Time Keeper)
Spouse's Name:Mary Jackson (Spinster)
Spouse's Father's Name:Charles Jackson (Miner)
Witnesses: Meena? Beever and Maria Jackson

A change of occupation on the 1901 and 1911 census...


Household transcription
1911 census


Person: SHAW, Alfred
Address: 596 Wakefield Road Bradford

Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
SHAW, Alfred Head Married M 50 1861 Engineers Labourer Gomersal County of York VIEW
SHAW, Mary Wife Married29 years F 53 1858 North Bierley County of York VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 26681
Reference: RG14PN26681 RG78PN1539 RD498 SD1 ED7 SN62
Registration District: Bradford
Sub District: Bowling
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Bradford
Address: 596 Wakefield Road Bradford
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
( 2 children born...1 living)

No children appear with Alfred and Mary on the 1901 census..........I can't seem to find them in 1891!

Sister Louisa....


West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
about Louisa Shaw Name:Louisa Shaw (Spinster) Worsted Weaver
Birth Year:abt 1856
Age:23
Marriage or Bann Date:13 Oct 1879
Parish:Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name:John Shaw (Timekeeper at Railway Goods Yard)
Spouse's Name:George Taylor (Bachelor) Railway Porter
Spouse's Father's Name:George Taylor (Farmer)
Witnesses: Alfred and Mary Shaw





PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Mar 2014 16:18

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
about Julia Ann Shaw Name:Julia Ann Shaw (Spinster)
Birth Year:abt 1863
Age:20
Marriage or Bann Date:13 May 1883
Parish:Birstall, St Peter
Father's Name:John Shaw (Time Keeper)
Spouse's Name:Tom Sugden (Bachelor) Blacksmith
Spouse's Father's Name:William Parker Sugden (Grocer) Deceased
Witnesses: Thomas Wilson and Robert Jones


Household transcription
1911 census


Person: SUGDEN, Julia Ann
Address: 1 Sheridan St Bradford

SUGDEN, Tom Head Married M 47 1864 Driller Iron West Hartlepool VIEW
SUGDEN, Julia Ann Wife Married27 years F 47 1864 Bradford Yorks VIEW
SUGDEN, Harry Son Single M 14 1897 Hair Dresser Apprentice Bradford Yorks VIEW
SUGDEN, Emily Daughter Single F 24 1887 Burler And Mender Bradford Yorks VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 26681
Reference: RG14PN26681 RG78PN1539 RD498 SD1 ED7 SN303
Registration District: Bradford
Sub District: Bowling
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Bradford
Address: 1 Sheridan St Bradford
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
(4 children born, 3 living, 1 had died)

KiwiKeith

KiwiKeith Report 1 Apr 2014 04:43

@PricklyHolly
Many thanks for info. It will take me some time to go through it all.
I have particular interest in my G/father's Death details (Herbert Wilson) as it was an unusual death probably 1928 Waakefield????. I have tried to find the Coroner's report, but Wakefield Records say they are lost. :-( Any thoughts? Regards KB.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 1 Apr 2014 09:48

Hi Keith

There is a member on Ancestry that has your family in their tree.

Wood Family Tree........Tree owner.......johnwood1793

You can check out the tree on Ancestry's sister site here....

http://www.mundia.com/gb/

Perhaps if you make contact with the tree owner, he might be able to provide you with further information.

Prickles.

KiwiKeith

KiwiKeith Report 2 Apr 2014 22:11

Thanks Prickles :-)


I have had previous contact with John Wood.
KB.