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James Howard Ballard
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ArgyllGran | Report | 27 Mar 2014 22:38 |
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John | Report | 23 Mar 2014 20:26 |
Hi Margee. That I can well understand because my mothers sister was boarded out as a youngster because there was no room in the prison married quarters where my grandad was stationed so he kept her 2 brothers and she went with either friends or family never found out where. When she got married she said her father was dead, his occ. a decorator, in fact,he was very much alive and still a prison warder. She never told her grandson she had siblings and he was shocked when I found him on here when he posted her name looking for any relatives of her because he knew nothing about her. She even told her son his name was Smith and it wasn't until he got married he found out about his real name. She had 8 siblings |
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John | Report | 23 Mar 2014 20:13 |
Thanks Chris. Yes this is him and the family were Basket Makers but just where was he between 1841 and 1864. There is no birth registered for him, did that happen in those days.. |
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Chris Ho :) | Report | 23 Mar 2014 19:05 |
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MargaretM | Report | 23 Mar 2014 18:47 |
Coincidentally. my gt. grandmother was illegitimate and gave the name of her mother's brother on her marriage certificate. as her father. |
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John | Report | 23 Mar 2014 18:38 |
So I wonder where James Howard Ballard was between 1841 census and his marriage in 1864 |
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John | Report | 23 Mar 2014 18:37 |
So I wonder where James Howard Ballard was between 1841 census and his marriage in 1864 |
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John | Report | 23 Mar 2014 18:23 |
Thank you MarieCeleste, now that is interesting, so Joseph the son of James and Mary is possibly the father, do you think Joseph was married and his wife died for she is not on the 1941 census and I think it would be unusual if a father took on his baby if the wife or partner was alive in those days.. I will ask around on the family trees to see if anyone sent for a marriage cert. |
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MarieCeleste | Report | 23 Mar 2014 16:20 |
He names his father as Joseph when he married: |
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John | Report | 23 Mar 2014 16:13 |
I can see that happening and wondered if he was the son of either Mary or Sarah, both age 15 on the 1841 census. I have just looked up a marriage for him in 1864 and he his down as James Hoared Ballard, so could he have been the child of James and Mary both in their 50's |
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MargaretM | Report | 23 Mar 2014 16:00 |
It's possible that he could have been an illegitimate child of a daughter of James & Mary. If the daughter married he could have been brought up using his step-father's name and then reverted to his legal name at marriage. I've seen that happen more than once. |
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John | Report | 23 Mar 2014 15:27 |
Thank you for your replies. I thought the same that James and Mary could have been grandparents. Possible he could have been listed on birth as James Hoar, that's if Mary was his mother and not grandmother. I did find Joseph Ballard who was 18 in 1841 in the 1861 census living in Durham states occ Mariner, so that could tie up with the Masters and mates certificate. In 1851 James would have been 11 yrs old so who would he have been living with, certainly not James and Mary Ballard. No I do not have a marriage cert for James Howard Ballard, I'm looking up for my husbands cousins family. I have looked on the trees of other people and they don't seem to have found him either for 20 years Looking at the birth of James Hoar in Ashford Kent, that is quite a distance from Chatham so not too sure on that one but will look it up. Many Thanks |
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Mike * | Report | 23 Mar 2014 13:52 |
Just in case it's relevant. |
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MargaretM | Report | 23 Mar 2014 13:43 |
Another tree has mother Mary Hoar born 1777 and James Howard born 1841 making her 64 when he was born!!! |
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Mike * | Report | 23 Mar 2014 13:42 |
1841 |
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Mike * | Report | 23 Mar 2014 13:41 |
1871 |
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MargaretM | Report | 23 Mar 2014 13:31 |
Do you have the marriage certificate? Does it give father's name? |
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MargaretM | Report | 23 Mar 2014 13:28 |
I would imagine that on that 41 census James & Mary are his grandparents. |
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Jacky | Report | 23 Mar 2014 13:28 |
the marriage i posted above |
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Porkie_Pie | Report | 23 Mar 2014 13:27 |
???? |