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Thanks Chris.

Thanks Roy and Kucintra thats interesting, i'll try to find out a bit more.

1908 Old Age Pensions Act
Non-contributory means tested state pensions for the over-70s
1911 National Insurance Act
Compulsory NI contributions to insure against sickness/unemployment
1921 Finance Act
Tax relief for contributions to occupational pension schemes
1925 Widows, Orphans and Old Age Contributory Pensions Act
Contributory pensions for 65 to 70 year olds and maintenance for >>>>>>widows<<<<<<<


Roy

Just a thought.....

"1925 - age 65
In 1925 a new kind of pension was introduced based on contributions paid at work by employer and employee. It was paid from age 65 without a means-test. A married couple's rate of pension was paid if both spouses were aged 65 or more. That meant many men had to wait for some time after they reached 65 to get the higher rate for their wives."

Just wondering whether they might have needed some evidence of a marriage in order to claim for a wife...

Might be a total red herring.

Some people married later in life because of inheritance laws and the possible implications that involved,

Back then women did not have the equality they have today and even being a common law spouse today can cause problems

Roy

Good point Kucinta.

Well, like I said, my relatives had no obvious impediment to their marriage, apart from perhaps poverty, yet waited until most of their children were adults before tying the knot.

It's amazing how many 'irregular' things did go on in those times...

If they were passing themselves off as married, who would gainsay them?

Thankyou Mike and Kucinta, that is the marriage that i have found.

It does seem strange to wait all that time if it is them, but i cannot find any other record for a marriage, unless of course they didn't bother getting married, which again for those times wouldnt be a regular thing i dont think.

Is this the marriage you mean, Valerie? It might well be their's. People often claimed to be married in the census when they weren't.

One of my C19th relatives didn't marry his partner until after they'd been together 30 plus years and had several children together, yet both were single, so there was no impediment to the marriage She did use his name and claim to be his wife on the census from the start of their relationship, even though it took them so long to get things 'rubber stamped' as it were..

Marriages Jun 1932

Farnsworth Mary Squires Derby 7b 1254
Squires Charles Farnsworth Derby 7b 1254

Way after time but .....

Mary Farnsworth
Spouse Surname:Charles Squires
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1932

Registration district:Derby
Inferred County:Derbyshire

Volume Number:7b
Page Number:1254

Thanks maddie, your help is appreciated.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Charles Farnsworth Squires
Name: Charles Farnsworth Squires
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1905
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 600



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Farnsworth Squires
Name: William Farnsworth Squires
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 605 ( died 1904)


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Frank Farnsworth Squires
Name: Frank Farnsworth Squires
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1906
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 580 ( died 1909)

a tree on ancestry has spouse as mary farmsworth but noo documentation for the marriage

two children with middle name of farmsworth
Charles and William born 1904

maddie

Thankyou Maddie for the census info for mary Farnsworth, when looking for the marriage i had looked at various marriages that had taken place in other areas close to derby, but i didn't actually look for the census details for Mary, i only had the censuses for Charles.

1871 England Census about Mary Samsworth
Name: Mary Samsworth
[Mary Farnsworth]
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Samsworth
Mother's name: Mary Samsworth
Gender: Female
Where born: Derby, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: All Saints
Town: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: St Alkmund
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 100
Piece: 3563
Folio: 49
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Samsworth 37
Mary Samsworth 35
Elizabeth Samsworth 12
Jane Samsworth 8
Mary Samsworth 1

Thankyou Thelma and maddie for your response. I failed to insert in my post that i had the census details for them and am trying to find the actual marriage details. In 1901 census Charles lived in St Peter's parish and in 1911 lived in Holy Trinity parish.

there is this one in 1906 but has a middle name

ivil registration event: Marriage
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Name: SQUIRES, Charles William

Registration district: [?] Chesterfield

County: Derbyshire

Year of registration: 1906

Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 7B

Page no: [?] 1657
MarriageFinder™: [?] Charles William Squires married one of the following people Record
DALRYMPLE, Mary VIEW
WARD, Rose Ann VIEW

MASON, Arthur

1901 England Census about Mary Farnsworth
Name: Mary Farnsworth
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 69
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3221
Folio: 104
Page Number: 46
Household schedule number: 289
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Hy Smith 34
Amy Smith 28
John Wm Smith 8
Mary Smith 6
Sarah Smith 5
Thos Hy Smith 3
Amy Smith 1
Mary Farnsworth 31
Mary Farnsworth 1

1911 for ref

married 12 years
SQUIRES, Charles Head Married M 42 1869 Pipe Jointer Bristol VIEW
SQUIRES, Mary Wife Married12 years F 41 1870 Derby VIEW
SQUIRES, Mary Daughter F 11 1900 School Derby VIEW
SQUIRES, Charles Son M 6 1905 Derby VIEW
SQUIRES, Thomas Son M 1 1910 Derby VIEW
SQUIRES, Hilda Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Derby VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 20881

Reference: RG14PN20881 RG78PN1247A RD435 SD2 ED10 SN230

Registration District: Derby

Sub District: Derby

Enumeration District: 10

Parish: Derby

Address: 13 Orchard Street Derby

County: Derbyshire