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25 Mar 2014 14:55 |
Thank you so much yet again for this new information. Much appreciated.
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25 Mar 2014 12:06 |
Helen M Borrow was Baptised St Mary's Pro Catherdral.....
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HELENA MARIA BORROW Date of Birth 21 October 1876 Address 4 LR LIFFEY ST Father GEORGIO BORROW Mother MARIA BYRNE
Further details in the record Sponsor 1 MARIA HANLON Priest BERNARDO FARRELL
You can access record at....
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
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25 Mar 2014 10:50 |
Thank you so much for all your hard work - I had found them on the 1901 and 1911 census, but could not get back any earlier. Think this was because I had an incorrect surname for May.
I am so appreciative of all your help - hope I can return the favour one day.
Regards and renewed thanks
Anne
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Kucinta
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24 Mar 2014 23:28 |
?????
As you can see, names have been latinised, Jacobus could be James.
EDIT: Mary's father is James according to the marriage record safc found.
Ireland, Selections of Catholic Parish Baptisms, 1742-1881
Name: Mariam Byrne Parish: St James and Templetown Diocese: Ferns County: Wexford Birth Date: 21 Mar 1846 Baptism Date: 22 Mar 1846 Father's Name: Jacobi Byrne Mother's name: Anna Pauer Sponsor Witness 1: Patricio Collins Sponsor Witness 2: Brigida Bryan
There are other possibilities, which is why I think you need to get the marriage cert for the name of Mary's father.
EDIT: I posted the ones below before I noticed Mary's father was James according to the 1866 marriage posted by safc.
Name: Maria Byrne Parish: Ballycullane, Tintern Diocese: Ferns County: Wexford Birth Date: 11 Jan 1844 Baptism Date: 13 Jan 1844 Father's Name: Patritius Byrne Mother's name: Brigida Kelly Sponsor Witness 1: Patritius Kinsela Sponsor Witness 2: Anna Kinsela
Name: Maria Byrne Parish: Ballycullane, Tintern Diocese: Ferns County: Wexford Birth Date: 30 Nov 1848 Baptism Date: 2 Dec 1848 Father's Name: Patritius Byrne Mother's name: Maria Anna Hamilton Sponsor Witness 1: Gulielmus Byrne Sponsor Witness 2: Maria Hamilton
Name: Maria Byrne Parish: Ballycullane, Tintern Diocese: Ferns County: Wexford Birth Date: 30 Nov 1848 Baptism Date: 2 Dec 1848 Father's Name: Patritius Byrne Mother's name: Maria Anna Hamilton Sponsor Witness 1: Gulielmus Byrne Sponsor Witness 2: Maria Hamilton
Name: Mariam Annam Byrne Parish: St James and Templetown Diocese: Ferns County: Wexford Birth Date: 26 Jul 1843 Baptism Date: 26 Jul 1843 Father's Name: Jacobi Byrne Mother's name: Maria Emers Sponsor Witness 1: Thomas Maher Sponsor Witness 2: Elisa Pauer
Name: Maria Byrne Parish: Blackwater and Killala Diocese: Ferns County: Wexford Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1849 Father's Name: Thoma Byrne Mother's name: Maria Cleary Sponsor Witness 1: Thoma Flaherty Sponsor Witness 2: Winifreda McHugh
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24 Mar 2014 23:05 |
If you sent for the marriage cert, you would normally discover the name and occupation of Mary's father.
EDIT: OOPS - Father is James - as shown on the marriage record safc found.
Safc has posted the marriage details already, and here is the civil registration index version:
Name: Mary Byrne Date of Registration: 1866 Registration district: Dublin South Volume: 17 Page Number: 691
Name: George Borrow Date of Registration: 1866 Registration district: Dublin South Volume: 17 Page Number: 691
If you order through the Roscommon site, you can ask for a 4 euro photocopy of the cert, rather than a 20 euro official copy of the cert. It will give you the same details.
You can download a form to post or fax from this page:
http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx
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24 Mar 2014 22:43 |
Another child????
On his discharge from the army in 1875 George said he was planning to live in Dublin.
Name: Helen Borrow Gender: Female Birth Date: 21 Oct 1876 Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland Father's Name: George Borrow<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother's name: Mary Borrow Byrne<<<<<<<<<<< FHL Film Number: 255963
Name: Helen Borrow Date of Registration: 1876 Registration district: Dublin North Volume: 17 Page: 515 FHL Film Number: 101053
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ellen Maria Borrow Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1878 Age at Death: 1 Registration district: West Derby Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 228
http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/dbase/toxsearch.php
BORROW Ellen M 19 months Infant 14 Greig Street 11 August 1878 2203 49065 C 11 438 352 CEM 9/1/10
Note Ellen M Borrow's address is given as 14 Greig Street.
The Borrows were living at this address in the 1881 census safc posted earlier:
Address: 14, Greig St, Toxteth Park County: Lancashire<<<<<<
BORROW, George Head Married M 44 1837 Labourer In Ironworks Gravesend, Kent BORROW, Mary Wife Married F 35 1846 Ireland BORROW, James Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Ireland BORROW, George Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar India BORROW, Thomas Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar India BORROW, Mary J Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar India BORROW, Ellen M Daughter Single F 0 1881 Lpool, Lancashire MORRISON, John Boarder Single M 24 1857 General Labourer Ireland
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24 Mar 2014 22:18 |
Yes, that's what Ann said, but in same post she also said 'George was in the army'. The records tally with George Borrow born Gravesend being in the 85th Foot, as per births or baptisms of James in Ireland, and the three children born in India.
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24 Mar 2014 22:15 |
snap Kucinta
i did not refresh page before posting
according to ann she married john ????
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24 Mar 2014 22:13 |
Snap, safc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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24 Mar 2014 22:12 |
James Borrow, "Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881" Name: James Borrow Gender: Male Christening Date: Christening Place: Birth Date: 02 Jan 1868 Birthplace: Kildare, Ireland Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: George Borrow Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Mary Byrne Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01408-4 System Origin: Ireland-EASy GS Film number: 101161 Reference ID: v 2-2 p 921
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24 Mar 2014 22:10 |
More detail on birth of James Borrow born 1868. Note name of mother - confirms the marriage posted by safc
Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 about James Borrow
Name: James Borrow<<<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Male Birth Date: 2 Jan 1868<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Birth Place: Newbridge, Kild, Ireland Baptism Place: Newbridge, Kild, Ireland Father's Name: George Borrow<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother's name: Mary Byrne<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< FHL Film Number: 101161
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24 Mar 2014 21:56 |
First Name Thomas Last Name Borrow Date Of Baptism 14 Jan 1872 Date Of Birth 19 Dec 1872 Father's First Name George Mother's First Name Mary Place Dagshai Presidency Bengal Father's Last Name Borrow Mother's Last Name - Archive Reference N-1-139 Folio 312 Page - Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal Record set British India Office births & baptisms
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First Name Mary Jane Last Name Barrow Date Of Baptism 12 Apr 1874 Date Of Birth 21 Mar 1874 Father's First Name George Mother's First Name Mary Place Meerut Presidency Bengal Father's Last Name Barrow Mother's Last Name - Archive Reference N-1-148 Folio 317 Page - Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Private 85th Regt
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24 Mar 2014 21:52 |
British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
First name(s): George Last name: BORROW Calculated year of birth: 1837 Parish of birth: Gravesend Town of birth: Gravesend County of birth: Kent Age at attestation: 17 years 6 months Attestation date: 20 January 1854 Attestation corps: Attestation soldier number: Discharge rank: Private Discharge corps: 85th Foot<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Discharge soldier number: 3318 The National Archives reference: WO97
Births of children:
Name: BORROW, James Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966 Regiment: 85th Foot<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Place: Curragh Country: Ireland Year: 1868 Volume: 830 Page: 11 Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Name: BORROW, George Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966 Regiment: 85th Foot<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Place: Meean Meer Country: Indian Subcontinent Year: 1869 Volume: 832 Page: 50 Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Name: BORROW, Mary J Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966 Regiment: 85th Foot<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Place: Meerut Country: Indian Subcontinent Year: 1874 Volume: 832 Page: 75 Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
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24 Mar 2014 21:43 |
George Borrow, "United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913" Name: George Borrow Event Type: Pension Event Year Range: 1760-1913 Event Place: United Kingdom Birthplace: Kent Birth Year (Estimated): 1837
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24 Mar 2014 21:21 |
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George Borrow, "Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898" Name: George Borrow Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Mary Byrne Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 22 Oct 1866 Event Place: Dublin South, Dub, Ireland Father's Name: Thomas Borrow Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: James Byrne Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70236-6 System Origin: Ireland-EASy GS Film number: 101501 Reference ID: 691
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24 Mar 2014 21:11 |
George Borrow, "England and Wales Census, 1881" Name: George Borrow Age (Original): 44 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1837 Birthplace: Gravesend, Kent, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: Labourer In Ironworks Address: 14 Greig St Event Place: Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341872 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 3642 / 136 Page Number: 50 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head George Borrow M 44 Gravesend, Kent, England Wife Mary Borrow F 35 Ireland Son James Borrow M 13 Ireland Son George Borrow M 11 India Son Thomas Borrow M 9 India Daughter Mary J Borrow F 6 India Daughter Ellen M Borrow F 0 Lpool, Lancashire, England Boarder John Morrison M 24 Ireland
buy this for mothers maiden name
Births Sep 1880 (>99%) Borrow Ellen Maud W. Derby 8b 235
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Anne
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24 Mar 2014 20:46 |
Hi Yvonne, Thanks for your offer of help. My great grandmother's name was I beleive Mary Ann Lock, born in Wicklow in 1846. She married John Borrow in I believe 1866. Their first son James was born in Ireland in 1868. 3 further children were born in India, George was in the Army. Another daughter, Ellen Maud, (my grandmother) was born in Liverpool in 1880. Regards and renewed thanks Anne
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Yvonne
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19 Mar 2014 22:28 |
If you give the names we might be able to trace on FMP.
Yvonne
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Anne
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19 Mar 2014 16:26 |
Thank you so much - I'll try this.
Regards
Anne
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ErikaH
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19 Mar 2014 16:17 |
Too early for Civil Registration.......google for dates.
Look for a baptism at..........................
https://familysearch.org/
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