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6 Mar 2014 18:18 |
I am looking for the wife of Thomas Underwood (1981) possibly called Florence or Nancy - lived in Croydon, Surrey, (1894-1944). Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Valerie
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brummiejan
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6 Mar 2014 18:46 |
Is this him Valerie? Middle initial might help if so.
1911 England Census about Thomas Henry Underwood Name: Thomas Henry Underwood Age in 1911: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Croydon, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Sussex Villa, Coombe Avenue, Croydon Marital Status: Single Occupation: Joiner Registration district: Croydon Registration District Number: 39 Sub-registration district: South Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 128 Piece: 3294 Household Members: Name Age Richard Underwood 52 Mary Ann Underwood 52 Nellie Elizabeth Underwood 26 Florrie Underwood 23 Thomas Henry Underwood 20 Richard Alfred Underwood 18 Jessie Underwood 16
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AnnCardiff
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6 Mar 2014 18:46 |
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Name: Thomas Underwood Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Gender: Male Age: 9 Relationship to Head of Household: Son Birthplace: Croydon, Surrey Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Croydon Sub-District: Croydon Ecclesiastical Parish: St Matthews Civil Parish: Croydon District/Parish/County: Surrey
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greyghost
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6 Mar 2014 18:47 |
If this is the Thomas underwood you refer to, then there is a possible marriage as shown below. Her name is Minnie, but you say "possibly called Florence or Nancy"
Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: UNDERWOOD, Thomas Henry Registration district: Croydon County: Surrey Year of registration: 1891 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 2A Page no: 211 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
1911 census transcription details for: Sussex Villa Coombe Avenue Croydon
National Archive Reference: RG14PN3294 RG78PN125 RD39 SD2 ED13 SN128 Reg. District: Croydon Sub District: South Croydon Parish: Croydon Enum. District: 13 Address: Sussex Villa Coombe Avenue Croydon County: Surrey Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born UNDERWOOD, Richard Head Married M 52 1859 Jobbing Carpenter And Decoration Eastbourne Sussex UNDERWOOD, Mary Ann Wife Married 27 years F 52 1859 Eastbourne Sussex UNDERWOOD, Nellie Elizabeth Daughter Single F 26 1885 Eastbourne Sussex UNDERWOOD, Florrie Daughter Single F 23 1888 Eastbourne Sussex UNDERWOOD, Thomas Henry Son Single M 20 1891 Joiner Croydon Surrey UNDERWOOD, Richard Alfred Son Single M 18 1893 Dentist Mechanic Croydon Surrey UNDERWOOD, Jessie Daughter Single F 16 1895 Croydon Surrey
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Civil Registration event: Marriage
MarriageFinder: Thomas H Underwood married Minnie F Hoile Name: UNDERWOOD, Thomas H Registration district: Croydon County: Surrey Year of registration: 1916 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Spouse's last name: Hoile Volume no: 2A Page no: 668
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6 Mar 2014 18:48 |
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Name: Thomas Henry Underwood Event Type: Birth Registration Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year: 1891 Registration District: Croydon County: Surrey Event Place: Croydon, Surrey, England Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3): Volume: 2A Page: 211 Line Number: 261
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brummiejan
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6 Mar 2014 18:48 |
Just a guess - ???Minnie Florence???
Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%) Hoile Minnie F Underwood Croydon 2a 668 Lossby Sidney Moore Croydon 2a 668 Olney Louisa Ash Croydon 2a 668 Underwood Thomas H Hoile Croydon 2a 668
Do you know anything else about him?
ADDED I think she was Minnie Frances, having checked births.
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AnnCardiff
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6 Mar 2014 18:49 |
Name: Minnie F Hoile Event Type: Marriage Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year: 1916 Registration District: Croydon County: Surrey Event Place: Croydon, Surrey, England Spouse Name (available after 1911): Underwood Volume: 2A Page: 668 Line Number: 13 Minnie F Hoile probably married one of the following people Name: Thomas H Underwood
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greyghost
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6 Mar 2014 19:04 |
Would appear to be 2 births to the couple in Croydon RD in 1920 and 1926
Use this free site to check the information found above and for the 2 children and their possible marriages etc
www.freebmd.org.uk/
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AnnCardiff
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6 Mar 2014 19:58 |
message sent to Valerie advising her there is info on here for her
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ErikaH
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7 Mar 2014 09:01 |
Valerie
Make yourself familiar with...............
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Use it to look for BMD's between 1837 and approx 1955/60
Connected?
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1338032
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8 Mar 2014 12:24 |
Just a line to thank you for the helpful information provided to me concerning Thomas Underwood. Kind regards Valerie
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8 Mar 2014 12:48 |
I think she is probably Minnie Frances (Nancy could be short for Frances):-
Name: HOILE, Minnie Frances Registration district: Woolwich County: London Year of registration: 1891 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 1D Page no: 1235
In the 1911 census she is living in Croydon Registration district:-
1911 census transcription details for: 69 Richmond Road Thornton Heath Surrey
National Archive Reference: RG14PN3358 RG78PN126 RD39 SD3 ED36 SN65 Reg. District: Croydon Sub District: West Croydon Parish: Croydon Enum. District: 36
Address: 69 Richmond Road Thornton Heath Surrey County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HOILE, George Vincent Head Married M 40 1871 Government Clerk Portland Dorset HOILE, Frances Wife Married 22 years F 41 1870 Normandy Nr Guildford Surrey HOILE, Minnie Frances Daughter Single F 20 1891 Machinist Dressmaking Woolwich Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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8 Mar 2014 13:04 |
Could this be her death (perhaps the initial F was mistaken for an E on the original):-
Name: UNDERWOOD, Minnie E Registration district: Surrey South Eastern County: Surrey Year of registration: 1944 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 58 Volume no: 2A Page no: 638
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8 Mar 2014 17:04 |
Marriage of her parents:
Name: George Vincent Hoile - corporal R A Age: 21 Birth Year: abt 1868 Marriage Date: 23 Feb 1889 Archive Provided Parish: Aldershot, St Michael the Archangel Parish as it Appears: Aldershot Spouse: Frances Hoare Spouse Age: 21 Father: William Hoile - Chief Officer R N Spouse Father: Thomas Hoare - blacksmith Reference Number: 5185/3
Birde and groom both resident Aldershot.
Military record can be found on FMP for George:
British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): George Vincent Last name: HOILE Calculated year of birth: 1870 Parish of birth: Portland Town of birth: Portland County of birth: Dorset Age at attestation: 14 years 2 months Attestation date: 13 October 1884 Attestation corps: Royal Artillery Attestation soldier number: 44690 Discharge rank: Discharge corps: Discharge soldier number: The National Archives reference: WO97
13 images .
Says he was a man of 'exceptional intelligence'.
He was discharged from the Royal Artillery in Nov 1908 aged 38 years and 3 months.5ft 8" Blue eyes, brown hair, fresh complexion. He was intending to live at 28 Chivalry Rd, Wandsworth Common.
He was a Battery Quarter Master Serjeant when he was discharged
AT one point his Next of kin is listed as father ' William Hoile H M S Warspite', but this has been crossed out and replaced by 'wife Frances with husband'.
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The Warspite was a training vessel, William Hoile appears to have been on the staff there:
SHIPS IN PORT IN KENT 1881 - PART 1
Marine Society Ship "Warspite" at Charlton Piers, Woolwich, Kent, England
STAFF & HOUSEHOLD Arthur Woodhall GILLETT W 51 M Crayford, Kent, England Captain Royal Navy Maud Meyrick GILLETT 11 F Christiana (B S B), Norway Daur No Occupation Katherine Seale GILLETT 3 F Cowes, Isle of Wight, Hampshire Daur No Occupation Susan JASS W 49 F Diptford, Devon, England Domestic Servant Susan Maud JASS U 18 F Dartmouth, Devon, England Visitor No Occupation Rhoda LANGMEAD U 18 F Dartmouth, Devon, England Domestic Servant Emma ROPER U 20 F Bee Sands, Devon, England Domestic Servant Joseph BRITTER M 40 M Maidstone, Kent, England Officer Schoolmaster John DONOVAN M 46 M Queenstown, Ireland Ch Officer (Head)Occ: Naval Pensioner Gunner Anne DONOVAN U 17 F Granton, Scotland Daur No Occupation Thomas WEBBER M 48 M Falmouth, Cornwall, England Officer Naval Pensioner Henry BROOKS U 48 M Woolwich, Kent, England Officer Naval Pensioner Carpenter William W. JONES M 41 M Chatham, Kent, England Officer Naval Pensioner William HOILE W 41 M Dover, Kent, England Officer Naval Pensioner<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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8 Mar 2014 18:05 |
Minnie's brother:
Name: George William Charles Henry Hoile Probate Date: 20 Apr 1960 Death Date: 28 Aug 1959 Death Place: Guildford Registry: London, England
Died St Luke's Hospital Guildford. Admin to Minnie Frances Underwood widow. Effects £1723 16s 8d.
EDIT: Does this mean Minnie DIDN'T die in 1944??????
Name: George W C H Hoile Birth Date: abt 1894 Date of Registration: Sep 1959 Age at Death: 65 Registration district: Surrey North Western Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 5g Page: 704
1901 census:
Name: George Vincent Hoile Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation to Head: Sergt (Sergeant) Gender: Male Birth Place: Portland, Dorset, England Civil Parish: Heavitree Ecclesiastical parish: Heavitree Town: Heavitree County/Island: Devon Country: England
George Vincent Hoile 30 c1871 Portland, Dorset, England Frances Hoile 31 c1870 Normandynear, Guilford George William Hoile 7 c1896 Allahabax, India Minnie Frances Hoile 10 c1891 Albion Road, Woolwich
Birth:
First Name George William Charles Henry Last Name Hoile Date Of Baptism 21 Dec 1893 Date Of Birth 06 Dec 1893 Father's First Name George Vincent Mother's First Name Frances Place Allahabad,St David Presidency Bengal Father's Last Name Hoile Mother's Last Name - Archive Reference N-1-233 Folio 228 Page - Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Father a Bombadier 54th Field Artillery R A
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8 Mar 2014 18:09 |
Looks like Minnie didn't get baptised until after the family had been deployed to India:
First Name Minnie Frances Last Name Hoile Date Of Baptism 22 May 1892 Date Of Birth 23 Feb 1891 Father's First Name George Vincent Mother's First Name Frances Place Nowgong Presidency Bengal Father's Last Name Hoile Mother's Last Name - Archive Reference N-1-221 Folio 228 Page - Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Again, Father a Bombadier, 54th Field Battery Royal Artillery
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8 Mar 2014 18:18 |
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Given that Minnie had admin of her brother's will in 1960, she is unilkely to have died in 1944?
Very different location, but birthdate could tally if they waited nearly the whole 6 weeks to register the birth:
Name: Minnie Frances Underwood<<<<<<<<<<< Birth Date: 26 Feb 1891<<<<<<<<<<< Date of Registration: Sep 1980 Age at Death: 89 Registration district: Northampton Inferred County: Northamptonshire Volume: 7 Page: 2071
Name: HOILE, Minnie Frances Registration district: Woolwich County: London Year of registration: 1891<<<<<<< Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 1D Page no: 1235
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8 Mar 2014 18:28 |
Just to show that the Minnie E Underwood who died in 1944 that Kath posted earlier was actually Minnie Edith, so not a typo for Minnie Frances.
Name: Minnie Edith Underwood Probate Date: 15 Sep 1945 Death Date: 26 Aug 1944 Death Place: Surrey, England Registry: Llandudno
of the Heath Chaldon, Caterham (wife of Joseph Francis William Underwood)....probate to the husband.
Death Index, 1916-2007 about Minnie E Underwood Name: Minnie E Underwood Birth Date: abt 1886 Date of Registration: Sep 1944 Age at Death: 58 Registration district: Surrey South eastern Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 638
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