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Gwen
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2 Mar 2014 20:49 |
Hi everyone out there ! Ive been looking for my gg grandmother. I have a copy of the marriage certificate to Herbert William gillis. Her fathers name was William Green. I cannot find a birth cert and I have no name at all for her mother. Selina was born about 1884 presumably in London. I would love to know if selina had brothers or sisters and whether her mum was a Londoner . The marriage certificate is dated 22 july 1905 .So if there is anyone out there that can find any information I would be really greatfull. :-)
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AnnCardiff
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2 Mar 2014 20:58 |
Name: Selina Gillis Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Female Age: 26 Birthplace: London Bermondsey, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub-District: Bermondsey Parish: Bermondsey County: London
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AnnCardiff
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2 Mar 2014 20:59 |
Name: Selina Green Event Type: Marriage Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration Year: 1905 Registration District: St. Olave Southwark County: London Event Place: St. Olave Southwark, London, England Spouse Name (available after 1911): Volume: 1D Page: 495 Line Number: 73
Selina Green probably married one of the following people Name: Herbert William Gillis Name: Margaret Mccarthy Name: James Welsh
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AnnCardiff
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2 Mar 2014 21:01 |
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Name: Maud Grace Green Gender: Female Christening Date: 10 Aug 1900 Christening Place: St. Augustine, Bermondsey, London, England Father's Name: William Green Mother's Name: Caroline Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02912-3 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 2214355 Reference ID: Pg.55
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AnnCardiff
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2 Mar 2014 21:02 |
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Name: Arthur Ernest Green Gender: Male Christening Date: 24 Aug 1898 Christening Place: St. Augustine, Bermondsey, London, England Father's Name: William Green Mother's Name: Caroline Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02912-3 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 2214355 Reference ID: Pg.7
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alviegal
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2 Mar 2014 21:08 |
For ref,
1911 census transcription details for: 133 Abbey Street Bermondsey Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1877 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED10 SN174 Reg. District: St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District: Bermondsey Parish: Bermondsey Enum. District: 10 Address: 133 Abbey Street Bermondsey County: London Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born GILLIS, Herbert William Head Married 6 years M 29 1882 Carman London Bermondsey GILLIS, Selina Wife Married F 26 1885 London Bermondsey GILLIS, Margaret Daughter F 5 1906 School London Bermondsey GILLIS, Catharine Daughter F 4 1907 London Bermondsey GILLIS, Selina Daughter F 3 1908 London Bermondsey GILLIS, Mary Ann Daughter F 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 London Bermondsey
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alviegal
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2 Mar 2014 21:15 |
??? Privater is written beside it.
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Selina Green Name: Selina Green of 66 West Ferry Rd Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 4 Mar 1887 Born 25 April 1886 Father's Name: William Green, fireman ?? Mother's name: Selina Green Parish or Poor Law Union: Millwall Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Registers
Another child for this couple. Born 78 West Ferry Rd.
Ada Florence Green 27 Mar 1881 William Green, Selina Green Millwall Tower Hamlets
EDIT This family have moved to Yorkshire by 1891. William is a Wire Drawer so perhaps not this family. No Selina with them though.
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ArgyllGran
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2 Mar 2014 21:19 |
Various Selina Green births:
Births Mar 1880 (>99%) GREEN Selina Whitechapel 1c 337
Births Jun 1886 (>99%) Green Selina Poplar 1c 700 Births Sep 1890 (>99%) (EDIT: too late for 1905 marriage) Green Selina Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 238
Births Dec 1890 (>99%) (EDIT: too late for 1905 marriage) Green Selina Emily St. Saviour 1d 41
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SylviaInCanada
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2 Mar 2014 21:32 |
Gwen
what was William's occupation on the marriage certificate?
What address was given for Selina?
Was an occupation given for Selina?
Who were the witnesses?
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Mike *
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2 Mar 2014 22:47 |
There is this entry but the place of birth has been obliterated
1891 Jews Hospital and Orphan Asylum
Name: Selina Green Age:4 Estimated birth year:abt 1887
Relation:Pupil
Civil Parish:St Mary Ecclesiastical parish:St Luke Town:Norwood County/Island:London
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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3 Mar 2014 09:48 |
Doesn't help !
Name: Selina Gillis Birth Date: abt 1886 Date of Registration: Mar 1958 Age at Death: 72 Registration district: Deptford Inferred County: London Volume: 5c Page: 522
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Mar 2014 10:09 |
This is Herbert Williams WW1 Records, it's a very sad read:
All Military Results British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about William Gillis Name: William Gillis Estimated birth year: abt 1884 Age at enlistment: 30 Birth Parish: Bermondsey Birth County: Surrey Document Year: 1914 Regimental Number: 20161 Regiment Name: Heavy RG?? Number of Images: 34 Unfortunately it isn't able to help us with Selina, however it's worthwhile noting them just incase you didn't have them. As I'm sure you know he died in September 1915.
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Mar 2014 11:07 |
Just retread the WW1 Service Records.
The witnesses to the marriage were, M Gillis ( most likely Margaret, his mother) and D E Walsh.
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Mar 2014 11:12 |
In 1914, their address was 15 Virginia Row, this family was there in 1911;
Name: Mary Kelly Age in 1911: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Bermondsey Civil Parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 15 Virginia Row, Bermondsey S E Marital Status: Married Years Married: 20 Estimated Marriage Year: 1891 Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey) Registration District Number: 24 Sub-registration district: Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Piece: 1908 Household Members: Name Age James Kelly 43 Mary Kelly 41 James Kelly 19 Edward Kelly 16 Johny Kelly 13 Mary Kelly 9
The Gillis children seem to be named after the Gillis family, all apart from young Selina and Mary.
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Gwen
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3 Mar 2014 20:03 |
Hello everyone that has been so kind in helping me find out more about selina green. To answer some questions that you have asked me . Selina lived in New square Horselydown. There is not a occupation listed on the marriage certificate for her. Her father was listed as a wood cutter ? witnesses where listed as M Gillis (which I have no idea who this is ) the other was a Stephen or steffen j carroll again no idea . again thanks for all your help :-D
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Mar 2014 22:34 |
Just going on the area,
1911
Name: William Green Age in 1911: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Male Birth Place: St Pancras Civil Parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Bermondsey Workhouse, Tanner Street, Bermondsey S E Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: WOOD CHOPPER Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey) Registration District Number: 24 Sub-registration district: Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 43-44 Piece: 1912
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Chris Ho :)
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4 Mar 2014 08:32 |
1911 CARROLL, Stephen Joseph Head Married M 33 1878 Postman Bermondsey London CARROLL, Adelaide Wife Married F 21 1890 Bermondsey London RG number: RG14 Piece: 1891 Reference: RG14PN1891 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED23 SN396 Registration District: St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District: Bermondsey Enumeration District: 23 Parish: Bermondsey Address: 8 Strathnairn St Bermondsey County: London
(other witness possibly?)
Chris :)
(following Dee above, although age wrong below 1891, but next door is below couple, witness on Army Record?)
Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------- PATER Jane Bethnal Green 1c 500 WELSH David George Bethnal Green 1c 500
1891 GREEN, William Head Married M 50 1841 Wood Chopper London GREEN, Margaret Wife Married F 48 1843 London GREEN, Elenor Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar London GREEN, Caroline Daughter F 4 1887 London Piece: 373 Folio: 86 Page: 38 Registration District: St Olave Southwark Civil Parish: Bermondsey Municipal Borough: Bermondsey Address: 27, Millstream Road, Bermondsey County: London
1891 WELSH, David Head Married M 40 1851 Stevedore London WELSH, Jane Wife Married F 33 1858 Fur Puller London Piece: 373 Folio: 86 Page: 38 Registration District: St Olave Southwark Civil Parish: Bermondsey Municipal Borough: Bermondsey Address: 27, Millstream Road, Bermondsey County: London
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alviegal
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4 Mar 2014 10:12 |
As an extra, this is the rest of the Green family posted above. Beside the Green family was a bit written in the margin stating that the rest of the family were on page 58 and so this is them.
1891 census transcription details for: 27, Millstream Road, Bermondsey Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 373 Folio: 96 Page: 58 Reg. District: St Olave Southwark Sub District: St Mary Magdalen Parish: Bermondsey Enum. District: 11 Ecclesiastical District: St Mary Magdalene City/Municipal Borough: Bermondsey Address: 27, Millstream Road, Bermondsey County: London Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born KELEHAR, John Son In Law Widower M 28 1863 Waterside Labourer Horsleydown, London KELEHAR, Mary A Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar Bermondsey, London KELEHAR, John Son M 7 1884 Scholar Bermondsey, London KELEHAR, Michael Son M 3 1888 Bermondsey, London
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Chris Ho :)
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4 Mar 2014 10:52 |
Thankyou for that ag, not sure anything in theory, just an observation of things, Walsh/Welsh!.
Chris :)
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BatMansDaughter
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4 Mar 2014 11:14 |
Going from Chris' 1891 census,
Name: William Green Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Margaret Green Gender: Male Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 6 Metcalf Court Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Woodchopper (Timber) Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 564 Folio: 7 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age William Green 40 Margaret Green 38 Jane Green 14 William Green 12
Pancras is given again as William snrs birth place, albeit 10 years older than the 1911 census, however it can't be ruled out! We have no further Selina evidence, so could Selina have actually been Elenor on the 1891 census?? And were William snr and Margaret the parents in 1891 or could Jane have been a single mother??
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