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Thank you both for all your help. I will order those certs and have a good look at the info you have found for me.

Thanks again

All the best

Jane

(notes 1911 John and Rose Grey, states 11 children born, 9 living, 2 died)

Chris :)

1911
GREY, John Head Married M 49 1862 Farm Bailiff Roxby Lincs
GREY, Rose Wife Married26 years F 46 1865 South Killingholme Lincs
GREY, Herbert Son Single M 22 1889 Saddler Ulceby Lincs
GREY, Elise Daughter Single F 17 1894 Domestic South Killingholme Lincs
GREY, Mary Daughter F 14 1897 Ulceby Lincs
GREY, James Son M 9 1902 School Barton on Humber Lincs
GREY, Ralph Son M 8 1903 School Barton on Humber Lincs
GREY, Edith Daughter F 6 1905 School Barton on Humber Lincs
BUSHBY, Charles Servant Single M 27 1884 Waggoner On Farm Waltham Lincs
GREY, Frank Servant Single M 19 1892 Waggoner On Farm Thornton Lincs
RG number: RG14
Piece: 20113
Reference: RG14PN20113 RG78PN1202 RD424 SD3 ED19 SN4
Registration District: Glanford Brigg
Sub District: Barton
Enumeration District: 19
Parish: Barton upon Humber
Address: Greengate Farm Barton on Humber
County: Lincolnshire

Marriage

Year:
1885
Month:
Mar
Date:
9

Male Surname:
Grey
Male Firstname(s):
John
Male Age:
23
Male Condition:
Bachelor
Male Profession:
Farm Labourer
Male Residence:
South Killingholme

Male Father's Name:
Frank Grey
Male Father's
Profession:
Farm Labourer
Female Surname:
Kendall
Female Firstname(s):
Rose Barran
Female Age:
19
Female Condition:
Spinster
Female Profession:
Servant
Female Residence:
South Killingholme

Female Father's Full
Name:
William Kendall
Female Father's
Profession:
Farm Lavbourer

Witness 1:
Matthey J Dawson
Witness 2:
E Ann Dawson

Registration
District:
Glanford brigg
Solemnized At:
Wesleyan Chapel Barton
District Of:
Glanford Brigg
Lincoln
Married By:
Certificate


Dea x

1891
GREY, John Head Married M 28 1863 Agricultural Labourer
Roxby, Lincolnshire
GREY, Rose Wife Married F 25 1866
South Killingholme, Lincolnshire
GREY, Charles Henry Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar
North Killingholme, Lincolnshire
GREY, George Herbert Son Single M 2 1889
Ulceby, Lincolnshire
GREY, Alice Elizabeth Daughter Single F 0 (7M) 1891
Thornton Curtis, Lincolnshire
Piece: 2629
Folio: 48
Page: 2
Registration District: Glanford Brigg
Civil Parish: Thornton Curtis
Municipal Borough:
Address: Village Street, Thornton Curtis
County: Lincolnshire

(not sure of things here!, but above is a John and Rose)

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Roxby cum Risby
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 522
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 11 May 1862
Forename John
Sex M
FatherForename Frank
MotherForename Sarah
FatherSurname GREY
MotherSurname
Abode Roxby
FatherOccupation Labourer

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

(lol, snap! Dea, just back in 'chair' here, and was getting slightly confused!)


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1009282

(on above Jane you was looking for Alice?)

For reference then:


Marriages Mar 1885 (>99%)
BULLIMENT William Glanford B. 7a 892
Grey John Glanford B. 7a 892
Hamilton James Glanford B. 7a 892
Kendall Rose Barran Glanford B. 7a 892
Oldridge Jane Glanford Brigg 7a 892



1901 England Census about John Grey
Name: John Grey
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Rose Grey
Birth Place: Roxby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Barton on Humber
Ecclesiastical parish: Barton on Humber St Mary
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:


View image
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3108
Folio: 5
Page Number: 1
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
John Grey 38 Agricultural Foreman
Rose Grey 36
Herbert Grey 12
Alice Grey 10
Frank Grey 9
Elise Grey 7
Evelina Grey 4
Thomas Cook 20
Thomas Booth 23

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3108; Folio: 5; Page: 1.





1891 England Census about Charle Henry Grey
Name: Charle Henry Grey
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Grey
Mother's name: Rose Grey
Gender: Male
Where born: Nth Killingholme, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Thornton Curtis
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Thornton Curtis
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England


Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2629
Folio: 48
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Grey 28 Ag Lab.
Rose Grey 25
Charle Henry Grey 5
George Herbert Grey 2
Alice Elizabeth Grey 7/12



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2629; Folio: 48; Page: 2; GSU Roll: 6097739.

As you say, you really need to buy that marriage cert to see if his father was John - I can't see any other way to prove that you are on the right track.

Dea x

It was Chris who posted it at 10.31 ;-) :-D :-D

Jane, I always think that it is better to work backwards from what you already know but it looks like you are now trying to 'join up the dots inbetween' ?? :-D

Have to cook lunch just now but I will take a look after that to see if I can help ?

Dea Xxx

I think you are going mad because the only time i posted that marriage was at 11.07.

:-D

Hi Dea

He is not a direct relative of mine. I know I am breaking the rules but I am coming down this branch line not going back. If that makes sense.

My relative is John gray 1777-1850 and Jane Tweed 1775-1850 they had a son called George Gray b 1811 -1870 who married Ann Hollingsworth 1811/c1887
They had a son Frank 1836-1910 who married Alice Curdocck1834-1878
They had a son John gray 1862-1936 who married Rose Kendall 1866-1926
Charles Henry is their son.

So I think It is probably best to leave it here until I get the certs I need to proove he's mine one way or another and then go from there.

Thank you so much for your help

Jane.

Thanks PricklyHolly

I think I will have to send for this marriage cert just to make sure I have his father correct. I hope The two baptisms that Chris found I hope are wrong or I have made a mistake somewhere.

The Army records Dea has found for him look promising. Its quite confusing. The name Collingwood and Rebecca Hicks rings a bell but as of yet i can't find them in my records.

Jane,

I presume that one of the children of Charles Henry is a direct ancestor of yours?

Can you tell us which one and how you have worked your way back to a Charles Henry please?

Dea x

The army records Dea found are looking good. If I have got the parents correct then the other army records are wrong and so are the baptism records. So it is looking like I need to get the birth cert aswell.

All the best and thank you for your help

Jane

I am going mad PricklyHollys entry has come back but not mine. I think it is time I had a cup of tea.

Jane

I must be going mad

I am sure PricklyHolly added a marriage date for these two and I put on a reply saying thankyou and that I must send for the marriage cert to make sure ihad the correct father for Charles Henry Gray but this seems to have vanished.

Jane

Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
Drinkall Alice Glanford B. 7a 1769
Grey Charles Henry Glanford B. 7a 1769

Sorry It has taken me a while to get back to you all but my Mum just popped round out of the blue.

Thank you Chris and Dea for all your help.

There seems to be a problem here because I have his parents as John Grey and Rose . I will have to look into this to make sure I don't go down the wrong line here. This could be tricky.

The name Collingsworth Collingswood. Could it be Hollingsworth rings a bell So I will have to investigate this further.

Thank you so much for all your help

Jane

These are obviously some of the births for this couple:

Births Mar 1912
Gray Arthur D Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1339


Births Mar 1914
Grey Carita Drinkall Glanford B 7a 1299
Births Dec 1915
GREY Elsie Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1129
Births Dec 1919
Grey Freda Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1338

The third one on the list in his records could well be Arthur (+ a second name)

The 4th IS Carita

The last one 'could be an Elsie and the year 'could' say 1915 but it really is impossible to be sure as the writing is VERY bad!

That leaves little Freda who may of course have died ??

Dea x

EDIT - Freda didn't die - she wasn't born yet !! - The card with the children listed in his records was completed on 1st May, 1919 and she wasn't born until later in that year !

Dea x

Third child could be Arthur, not too clear!.

Chris :)

Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Drinkall Alice Glanford B. 7a 1769
Grey Charles Henry Glanford B. 7a 1769


Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Gray Arthur D Drinkall Glanford B. 7a


Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Grey Carita Drinkall Glanford B 7a 1299


Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
GREY Elsie Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1129


Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
Grey Freda Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1338

British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): Charles Henry
Last name: GRAY
Calculated year of birth: 1886
Parish of birth: Helpringham
Town of birth: Sleaford
County of birth: Lincolnshire
Age at attestation: 17 years 3 months
Attestation date: 28 October 1903
Attestation corps: 3RD BATT LEICESTERSHIRE REGIMENT
Attestation soldier number: 8709
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps: Leicestershire Regiment - 17th Foot
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO96

(in case of confusion, above has Father, William Collingsworth? (Collingswood) Gray. Sleaford)

Chris :)

edits

He was Single, worked as a Bottler, for Mr. Whitbread. Sister, Maud Dwyer, 25, Garfield Street, Leicester.

1901
DWYER, William J Head Married M 32 1869 Boot Warehouseman Marker
Leicester, Leicestershire
DWYER, Maud Wife Married F 22 1879
Helpringham, Lincolnshire
DWYER, Ethel Daughter Single F 0 (2 MOS) 1901
Lester, Leicestershire
DWYER, Florence Daughter Single F 0 (2 MOS) 1901
Lester, Leicestershire
Piece: 2988
Folio: 130
Page: 31
Registration District: Leicester
Civil Parish: Leicester
Municipal Borough:
Address: 34, Garfield Street, Leicester
County: Leicestershire

1891
GRAY, William Head Married M 49 1842 Inn Keeper
Langtoft, Lincolnshire
GRAY, Deborah Wife Married F 43 1848
Billingborough, Lincolnshire
GRAY, Charles H Son M 4 1887 Scholar
Helpringham, Lincolnshire
PENN, Maud Daughter F 13 1878
Heckington, Lincolnshire
Piece: 2581
Folio: 12
Page: 18
Registration District: Sleaford
Civil Parish: Helpringham
Municipal Borough:
Address: The Green, Helpringham
County: Lincolnshire

There are more children on the army record but I cannot read the names - perhaps someone could take a look?

Married 24.6.06

John Henry 3.12.06
Lawrence 18. 5. 10
???? 22. 1. 12
???? 13. 1. 14
???? 4 10. 18

Dea x

Army records are on Ancestry:


British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Charles Harry Grey
Name: Charles Harry Grey
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 290302
Regiment Name: Royal Garrison Artillery
Number of Images: 13

I think the name on the record is Charles HENRY but they are in very bad condition. - He is married to Alice though.


Dea x