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chloeandlily
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19 Feb 2014 16:36 |
Hi does anyone know how we can find out if a relative could have changed her name or was changed because of either being in service or the workhouse. we have hit a big big brick wall. :-(
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Gee
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19 Feb 2014 16:39 |
Hi
That's not easy to answer without all the details
If you post the info, we might be able to help
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chloeandlily
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20 Feb 2014 09:37 |
Hi Thank you for your reply, The lady in question is Maud Cecilia Dabin. BN 1878?? married in 1899 to a Arthur Cutler, died in 929 in Barking Essex.The stumbling block is that we cannot find her birth details, according to her marraige certificate she was born in Bristol her father is named and was deceased on her marraige. We also have certificates for her death in 1929 and have visited her grave in Barking Essex. She had 9 living children from 1900 to 1920. Her only daughter who is still living and is aged 98 yrs only knew her as Maud. The only birth for a Dabin born around 1878 that we can find is a Susan Jane born in Bristol. So could she have changed her name before her marraige. She was living away from family in Barking Essex at the time of her marraige, we dont know wether the address on the marraige certificate was a workhouse or a private property. We know she had a sister called Alice who married a Mullholland according to her daughter. Any help would be appreciated as we have been searching for over 6 years and keep coming back to this. :-)
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Penny
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20 Feb 2014 09:45 |
Her mother possibly married after she was born and she adopted her step fathers name. Willl have a poke about!
Do you know her mothers name?
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Jonesey
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20 Feb 2014 09:48 |
What was her fathers name given as on the marriage certificate?
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Penny
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20 Feb 2014 09:51 |
1911
Name: Maud Cutley
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated birth year:abt 1877
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Bristol
Civil Parish:Barking
County/Island:Essex
Country:England
Street address: 112 North St, Barking, Essex
Marital Status:Married
Years Married:12
Estimated Marriage Year:1899
Registration district:Romford
Registration District Number:191
Sub-registration district:Barking Town
ED, institution, or vessel:10
Household schedule number:184
Piece:9920 :
Name
Age
Arthur D Cutley 37 Maud Cutley 34 Arthur J Cutley 10 Elsie M Cutley 8 Nellie N Cutley 6 Albert E Cutley 3 Leslie E Cutley 1/12
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20 Feb 2014 09:58 |
A tree on Ancestry (yours?) says
Birth 27 Mar 1879 in Bristol,Glos. as Susan Jane Dabin
Marriage to Arthur Darius Cutler 22 Jan 1899 Age: 19 Parish Church, Barking, Essex
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20 Feb 2014 10:04 |
Jonesey asked for the name (and occupation if given) of her deceased father. Unless records can be found to match those details, it might be necessary to purchase the Susan Jane Dabin BC for elimination purposes if nothing else
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Susan Jane Dabin Name: Susan Jane Dabin Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1879 Registration district: Bristol Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume: 6a Page: 25
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Andrew
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20 Feb 2014 10:05 |
Could this be sister Alice??
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dabin Alice Maud Hastings 2b 55 Mulholland James Hastings 2b 55
1911 England Census about Alice Maud Mulholland
Name:Alice Maud Mulholland Age in 1911:34 Estimated birth year:abt 1877 Relation to Head:Wife Gender:Female Birth Place:DEPTFORD, Kent, England Civil Parish:Deptford St Paul County/Island:London Country:England Street address:12 Wotton Rd, Deptford, London S E Marital Status:Married Years Married:4 Estimated Marriage Year:1907 Registration district:Greenwich Registration District Number:28 Sub-registration district:Deptford North ED, institution, or vessel:5 Piece:2599 Household Members: Name Age James Mulholland 37 Alice Maud Mulholland 34 James Thomas Mulholland 3
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Gee
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20 Feb 2014 10:08 |
1881 England Census
Name:Thomas Dabin
Age:38
Estimated birth year:abt 1843
Relationship to Head:Head
Spouse:Izalia Dabin
Gender:Male
Where born:Deptford, Kent, England
Civil Parish:Deptford St Nicholas
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:6 West Row
Marital Status:Married
Occupation: Wood Sawyer
Registration district:Greenwich
Sub-registration district:St Nicholas Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel:5
Piece:718
Folio:33
Page Number:59
Household Members:
Thomas Dabin 38 Izalia Dabin 41 Ellen Dabin 16 Alice Dabin 4 Susan Dabin 2 _______________________________________________________
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:Alice Maud Dabin (Adult)
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:27 May 1896 DOB May 16th 1876
Address: 18 Rectory Buildings
Father's Name:Thomas William Dabin <<Sawyer
Mother's name:Izelia Ellen Dabin
Parish or Poor Law Union:Deptford St Paul
Borough:Lewisham
Register Type:Parish Registers
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Penny
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20 Feb 2014 10:14 |
Name: Thomas Stephen Dabin
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1873
Registration district:St Olave Southwark
Inferred County:London
Volume Number:1d
Page Number:297
Name
Izelia Ellen Phipps Thomas Stephen Dabin Walter Medhurst Mary Ann Povey
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Andrew
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20 Feb 2014 10:17 |
The Susan in 1881 posted above was born Bristol.
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Gee
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20 Feb 2014 10:22 |
Full details of that marriage
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Thomas Stephen Dabin <<Sawyer
Estimated birth year:abt 1842
Age:31
Spouse Name:Jzelia Ellen Phills <<Name is Phipps on the record
Spouse Age:33
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:19 Aug 1873
Parish:Bermondsey St James
Borough:Southwark of: 6 Francis Rd
Father Name:Thomas Dabin <<Sawyer
Spouse Father:Josjeph Edward Phills<<File cutter
Register Type:Parish Register
Wit: Fanny Green and George ? Green
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Jonesey
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20 Feb 2014 10:29 |
London Schools Admissions
Name: Susan Dabin Age: 10 Birth Date: 9 Mar 1879 School: Frankham Street School Borough: Lewisham Admission Date: 3 Feb 1890 (R-admitted) Parent: Thomas Dabin Home Address: 21 Crossfield Lane Notes: Frankham Street School (0341) opened in 1876. Originally named Regent Street School then renamed Frankham Street School. Became Tidemill Primary School in 1951. Closed or reorganised in 198- Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV06/FRA/AD/003
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Chris Ho :)
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20 Feb 2014 10:31 |
Baptism County Norfolk Place Great Yarmouth Church St Nicholas RegisterNumber 2841 DateOfBirth 16 Jul 1873 BaptismDate 06 Oct 1882 Forename Arthur Darius Sex M FatherForename Darius MotherForename Eliza FatherSurname CUTLER MotherSurname Abode Row FatherOccupation Fisherman
Chris :)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
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chloeandlily
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20 Feb 2014 10:34 |
Hi all, As we cant find her birth we cannot find out her mothers name??? If she is the Susan born in Bristol we have her birth certificate and the fathers name matches with her marraige certificate his name is Thomas. His profession stated on the marraige certificate is of a Lighterman we have checked this out and there is no record of him being listed as one you needed to be registered for this profession, so we think this was made up, We still think she changed her name for whatever reason ??? :-0
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20 Feb 2014 10:40 |
Who is the Susan Jane's mother? If we can trace her through, at least we can eliminate that birth. Sometimes people will 'big up' their occupations!
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chloeandlily
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20 Feb 2014 10:50 |
Hi Detective. According to the birth certificate Susan was born 27/3/1879 Her father is registered as Thomas Dabin and her mother is Izalia Dabin formally Phipps. they lived in 7 york street Bristol. :-)
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Jonesey
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20 Feb 2014 11:08 |
Susan's fathers death?
Deaths Mar 1895 (>99%) Dabin Thomas 52 Greenwich 1d 889
Chloe,
The more information that is found leads me to think that you are most probably correct in your assumption that Susan Jane and Maud Cecilia are one and the same person. Why she is likely to have changed her forenames is unknown but she was certainly not the first or only person to have done that. As I am sure that you are well aware anyone can call themselves by any name they choose providing that the change is not for fraudulent purposes.
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20 Feb 2014 11:24 |
Re your 20 Feb 2014 10:50 "her mother is Izalia Dabin formally Phipps"
As Izalia is such an unusual name, it does look as if other members have found the family on census for you + her parents marriage
As for changing names, as Jonesey and others have said, it’s not uncommon. One of ours born as Ellen Esther in 1904 but wanted to be known as Beryl before she married. If it weren't for family knowledge, we’d never have found her!
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