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Hi does anyone know how we can find out if a relative could have changed her name or was changed because of either being in service or the workhouse. we have hit a big big brick wall. :-(

Hi

That's not easy to answer without all the details

If you post the info, we might be able to help

Hi Thank you for your reply,
The lady in question is Maud Cecilia Dabin. BN 1878?? married in 1899 to a Arthur Cutler, died in 929 in Barking Essex.The stumbling block is that we cannot find her birth details, according to her marraige certificate she was born in Bristol her father is named and was deceased on her marraige. We also have certificates for her death in 1929 and have visited her grave in Barking Essex. She had 9 living children from 1900 to 1920. Her only daughter who is still living and is aged 98 yrs only knew her as Maud. The only birth for a Dabin born around 1878 that we can find is a Susan Jane born in Bristol. So could she have changed her name before her marraige. She was living away from family in Barking Essex at the time of her marraige, we dont know wether the address on the marraige certificate was a workhouse or a private property. We know she had a sister called Alice who married a Mullholland according to her daughter. Any help would be appreciated as we have been searching for over 6 years and keep coming back to this. :-)

Her mother possibly married after she was born and she adopted her step fathers name.
Willl have a poke about!

Do you know her mothers name?

What was her fathers name given as on the marriage certificate?

1911


Name:
Maud Cutley

Age in 1911:
34

Estimated birth year:abt 1877

Relation to Head:Wife

Gender:Female

Birth Place:Bristol

Civil Parish:Barking

County/Island:Essex

Country:England

Street address:
112 North St, Barking, Essex

Marital Status:Married

Years Married:12

Estimated Marriage Year:1899

Registration district:Romford

Registration District Number:191

Sub-registration district:Barking Town

ED, institution, or vessel:10

Household schedule number:184

Piece:9920
:


Name

Age

Arthur D Cutley 37
Maud Cutley 34
Arthur J Cutley 10
Elsie M Cutley 8
Nellie N Cutley 6
Albert E Cutley 3
Leslie E Cutley 1/12

A tree on Ancestry (yours?) says

Birth 27 Mar 1879 in Bristol,Glos. as Susan Jane Dabin

Marriage to Arthur Darius Cutler
22 Jan 1899
Age: 19
Parish Church, Barking, Essex

Jonesey asked for the name (and occupation if given) of her deceased father.
Unless records can be found to match those details, it might be necessary to purchase the Susan Jane Dabin BC for elimination purposes if nothing else

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Susan Jane Dabin
Name: Susan Jane Dabin
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1879
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 25

Could this be sister Alice??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Dabin Alice Maud Hastings 2b 55
Mulholland James Hastings 2b 55



1911 England Census
about Alice Maud Mulholland

Name:Alice Maud Mulholland
Age in 1911:34
Estimated birth year:abt 1877
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Birth Place:DEPTFORD, Kent, England
Civil Parish:Deptford St Paul
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:12 Wotton Rd, Deptford, London S E
Marital Status:Married
Years Married:4
Estimated Marriage Year:1907
Registration district:Greenwich
Registration District Number:28
Sub-registration district:Deptford North
ED, institution, or vessel:5
Piece:2599
Household Members:
Name
Age
James Mulholland 37
Alice Maud Mulholland 34
James Thomas Mulholland 3


Andy

1881 England Census

Name:Thomas Dabin

Age:38

Estimated birth year:abt 1843

Relationship to Head:Head

Spouse:Izalia Dabin

Gender:Male

Where born:Deptford, Kent, England


Civil Parish:Deptford St Nicholas

County/Island:London

Country:England

Street address:6 West Row

Marital Status:Married

Occupation:
Wood Sawyer


Registration district:Greenwich

Sub-registration district:St Nicholas Deptford

ED, institution, or vessel:5


Piece:718

Folio:33

Page Number:59

Household Members:

Thomas Dabin 38
Izalia Dabin 41
Ellen Dabin 16
Alice Dabin 4
Susan Dabin 2

_______________________________________________________

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name:Alice Maud Dabin (Adult)

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:27 May 1896 DOB May 16th 1876

Address: 18 Rectory Buildings

Father's Name:Thomas William Dabin <<Sawyer

Mother's name:Izelia Ellen Dabin

Parish or Poor Law Union:Deptford St Paul

Borough:Lewisham

Register Type:Parish Registers

Name:
Thomas Stephen Dabin

Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1873

Registration district:St Olave Southwark

Inferred County:London

Volume Number:1d

Page Number:297




Name

Izelia Ellen Phipps
Thomas Stephen Dabin
Walter Medhurst
Mary Ann Povey

The Susan in 1881 posted above was born Bristol.

Andy

Full details of that marriage



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name:Thomas Stephen Dabin <<Sawyer

Estimated birth year:abt 1842

Age:31

Spouse Name:Jzelia Ellen Phills <<Name is Phipps on the record

Spouse Age:33

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:19 Aug 1873

Parish:Bermondsey St James

Borough:Southwark of: 6 Francis Rd

Father Name:Thomas Dabin <<Sawyer

Spouse Father:Josjeph Edward Phills<<File cutter

Register Type:Parish Register


Wit: Fanny Green and George ? Green

London Schools Admissions

Name: Susan Dabin
Age: 10
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1879
School: Frankham Street School
Borough: Lewisham
Admission Date: 3 Feb 1890 (R-admitted)
Parent: Thomas Dabin
Home Address: 21 Crossfield Lane
Notes: Frankham Street School (0341) opened in 1876. Originally named Regent Street School then renamed Frankham Street School. Became Tidemill Primary School in 1951. Closed or reorganised in 198-
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV06/FRA/AD/003

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber 2841
DateOfBirth 16 Jul 1873
BaptismDate 06 Oct 1882
Forename Arthur Darius
Sex M
FatherForename Darius
MotherForename Eliza
FatherSurname CUTLER
MotherSurname
Abode Row
FatherOccupation Fisherman

Chris :)

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Hi all,
As we cant find her birth we cannot find out her mothers name???
If she is the Susan born in Bristol we have her birth certificate and the fathers name matches with her marraige certificate his name is Thomas. His profession stated on the marraige certificate is of a Lighterman we have checked this out and there is no record of him being listed as one you needed to be registered for this profession, so we think this was made up,
We still think she changed her name for whatever reason ??? :-0

Who is the Susan Jane's mother? If we can trace her through, at least we can eliminate that birth. Sometimes people will 'big up' their occupations!

Hi Detective.
According to the birth certificate Susan was born 27/3/1879 Her father is registered as Thomas Dabin and her mother is Izalia Dabin formally Phipps. they lived in 7 york street Bristol. :-)

Susan's fathers death?

Deaths Mar 1895 (>99%)
Dabin Thomas 52 Greenwich 1d 889

Chloe,

The more information that is found leads me to think that you are most probably correct in your assumption that Susan Jane and Maud Cecilia are one and the same person. Why she is likely to have changed her forenames is unknown but she was certainly not the first or only person to have done that. As I am sure that you are well aware anyone can call themselves by any name they choose providing that the change is not for fraudulent purposes.

Re your 20 Feb 2014 10:50
"her mother is Izalia Dabin formally Phipps"

As Izalia is such an unusual name, it does look as if other members have found the family on census for you + her parents marriage

As for changing names, as Jonesey and others have said, it’s not uncommon. One of ours born as Ellen Esther in 1904 but wanted to be known as Beryl before she married. If it weren't for family knowledge, we’d never have found her!