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happydaze
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20 Feb 2014 09:42 |
Wow thank you Mgnv
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2014 08:54 |
Apologies, I have been concentrating solely on Louisa - didn't realize that someone had muddied the waters by introducing a possible sister on this thread
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happydaze
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20 Feb 2014 08:08 |
Sorry Reggie,
I m not sure I understand you. I have 2 Pages one Louisa Caroline and one Caroline in the same family. I don't think I've ignored either just trying to work it all out. I am genuinely confused by this family and have really appreciated the help and support offered if I have caused any offence I'm sorry.
Regards Christine
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mgnv
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20 Feb 2014 06:07 |
1871 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M43R-VKY http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1871/pdf/4396300_00482.pdf 1881 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MVF7-W5L http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008183194.pdf 1891 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MWGF-MNJ http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148174-00449.pdf
You can search 1901/1911 (with image links) for free via: http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.html
1901 Census of Canada Page Information District: ON TORONTO (West/Ouest) (City/Cité) (#118) Subdistrict: Ward/Quartier No. 5 C-13 Page 12 30 116 Denning Isaac M Head M Aug 31 1866 34 31 116 Denning Rose F Wife M May 22 1867 33 32 116 Denning May F Daughter S Jul 31 1885 15 33 116 Denning Violet F Daughter S Sep 15 1888 12 34 116 Denning Lillian F Daughter S Jun 26 1890 10 35 116 Denning Isaac M Son S Dec 17 1892 8 36 116 Denning Russell M Son S Apr 9 1895 6 37 116 Denning Ivey F Daughter S Nov 17 1897 3 38 116 Denning Flossie F Daughter S Mar 29 1900 1
1911 Census of Canada Home / 1911 / Ontario / Toronto Centre / 35 ward 4 / page 5 split view 37 34 D?nni?y Issoe 100 Augusta Ave M Head M Aug 1865 45 38 34 D?nni?y Rose F Wife M May 1865 46 39 34 D?nni?y Violet F Daughter S Sep 1887 23 40 34 D?nni?y Lillian F Daughter S Jun 1888 22 41 34 D?nni?y Fred M Son S Dec 1890 20 42 34 D?nni?y Russell M Son S Apr 1894 17 43 34 D?nni?y Ivey F Daughter S Nov 1899 11 44 34 D?nni?y Florence F Daughter S Apr 1900 11 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002024426.pdf
Right now, you can search 1921 (with images) for free via: http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991
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ErikaH
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19 Feb 2014 23:20 |
And you've ignored the fact that a baptism was posted for that one for 1901, when the one who married aged 23 was baptized in 1897
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happydaze
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19 Feb 2014 23:12 |
Hi Reggie
Caroline was recorded in the orphanage aged 9 on the 1911 census. At the moment I can only assume she was sent there because mother had died and maybe even father and for whatever reason her siblings couldn't/wouldn't look after her.
Still looking into James's death.
Thank you all
Christine
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ErikaH
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19 Feb 2014 22:54 |
The child in the orphanage was born in 1901.....which would have meant that in 1920 she would have been NINETEEN
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ArgyllGran
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19 Feb 2014 22:10 |
This is the only death at the right age, per FreeBMD, but it gives him a middle name, which isn't mentioned at his birth, or in censuses, and the area looks wrong, even to someone who doesn't know London:
Deaths Dec 1905 (>99%)
Page James William 41 London C. 1c 9
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happydaze
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19 Feb 2014 17:43 |
Thank you all that's great......
I've now managed to piece some of it together and located the census's that you all managed to find but I hadn't!
I had already found Caroline at the Orphanage - I've tracked it down and emailed them to see if can offer information as to why she might be there and why so far away from the rest of the family. :-(
Hadn't got George in Canada but don't have world wide access - looks like i'll be needing that now.....
I have Louisa Page's death as 1909 also Mary now just need to find James death I know he had died by the time his daughter Louisa Caroline married Herbert Mace as I have the marriage cert.
It is a complicated family as they seem to change their names around I can tell it has been significantly worse and is now slowly getting better!!
Once again thank you all for your help.
Christine
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ArgyllGran
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19 Feb 2014 15:44 |
Brother George emigrated to Canada (if the parents' marriage posted by Andrew is the right one):
Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 about George Page Name: George Page Birth Place: London, England Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1902 Father Name: James Page Mother Name: Louisa Lammin Spouse Name: Violet Jane Denning Spouse's Age: 27 Spouse Birth Year: abt 1899 Spouse Birth Place: Toronto, Ontario Spouse Father Name: Isaac Denning Spouse Mother Name: Rosa Cox Marriage Date: 2 Jun 1926 Marriage County or District: York
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PricklyHolly
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19 Feb 2014 15:26 |
Household transcription 1911 census
Person: PAGE, Caroline Institution: S Johns Orphanage
PAGE, Caroline F 10 1901 School Girls London VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 6718 Reference: RG14PN6718 RG78PN334 RD125 SD2 ED13 SN3 Registration District: Windsor Sub District: Windsor Enumeration District: 13 Parish: Clewer Within Address: S Johns House Clewer Windsor County: Berkshire
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Caroline Page Name:Caroline Page Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:16 Oct 1901 Father's Name:James Page Mother's name: Louisa Page Parish or Poor Law Union:Rotherhithe All Saints Borough:Southwark Register Type:Parish Registers
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Mary
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19 Feb 2014 14:51 |
Louisa Caroline Mace born 24/5/1897 died 1990,only 2 days out on her baptism record which states Louisa Caroline Page born 26/5/1897.
Sister Caroline 2/9/9/1901 in 1911 is in St Johns Orphanage Windsor Their mum died 1909?
Maryb.
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ErikaH
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19 Feb 2014 14:14 |
The baptism address is the same as the census......................!
Look at 1901...look at the image................and see that 'Hants' has been added later
'Mill Crook' could have been misheard quite easily - or written up incorrectly on the census page
SAME street in 1881!
1881 census
Person: PAGE, James Address: 13, Risdon St, Rotherhithe
PAGE, William Head Married M 42 1839 General Labr Clophill, Bedfordshire VIEW PAGE, Hannah Wife Married F 46 1835 Milbank VIEW PAGE, James Son Single M 17 1864 General Labr Clophill, Bedfordshire VIEW PAGE, George Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey VIEW PAGE, Emma M Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Feb 2014 14:07 |
Caroline Page Baptism Date:16 Oct 1901 Father's Name:James Page (Labourer) Mother's name:Louisa Page Parish or Poor Law Union:Rotherhithe All Saints Borough:Southwark (14, Risdon Street)
(another Daughter) (Birthdate given on Louisa above as 26 May 1897)
Chris :)
Surname:Mace Forenames:Herbert James Baptism Year:1921 Baptism Month:JUL Baptism Day:24 Mother:Louisa Caroline Father:Herbert Place:Rotherhithe County:Surrey Source:All Saints Rotherhithe 1875-1921 baptisms
(not sure if above relates. Find My Past)
Births Sep 1921 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------ Mace Herbert J Page St.Olave 1d 340
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happydaze
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19 Feb 2014 13:46 |
Thanks for all your help.
Reggie I hadn't discounted that one just had found it! Just confused as that says James born in Millbrook Hampshire and I had him as Clophill, Bedfordshire! which is what Prickly Holly found.
The marriage was in Greenwich which matches with Rotherhithe.
Still need to do some head scratching and maybe start again to see if i've gone wrong somewhere.
Thanks guys do appreciate the support.
Christine
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Andrew
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19 Feb 2014 13:39 |
For ref only Family in 1891
Name
Age
William Page 53 Dock labourer George Page 22 Emma Page 17 James Page 26 Carman Louisa Page 27 Rose Page 3 Elizabeth Page 2 Annie Page 10
Marriage for James and Louisa?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about James Page
Name:James Page occ. Carman Spouse Name:Louisa Laming Record Type:Marriage Event Date:22 Dec 1885 Parish:Bethnal Green St James the Great Borough:Tower Hamlets Father Name:William Page occ. Laboiuer Spouse Father:William Laming Register Type:Parish Register
Andy
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PricklyHolly
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19 Feb 2014 13:35 |
James place of birth on the 1901 census is actually...
Mill Crook....Clophill Bedfordshire...
1891 England Census about James Page Name:James Page Age:26 Estimated birth year:abt 1865 Relation:Son Spouse's Name:Louisa Page Father's Name:William Page Gender:Male Where born: Clophill, Bedfordshire, England [Bedfordshire, England]
Registration district:St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district:Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel:16
Household Members:
William Page 53 (Widower) Dock Labourer George Page 22 Emma Page 17 James Page 26 (Carman) Louisa Page 27 (Daughter in Law) Rose Page 3 (Grandaughter) Elizabeth Page 2 (Grandaughter) Annie Page 10 (Grandaughter) John Brown 63 (Boarder) George Laming 23 (Boarder)
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19 Feb 2014 13:27 |
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Births Sep 1897 (>99%) Page Louisa Carrie St. Olave 1d 279
Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%) Page Caroline Louisa 1 Shoreditch 1c 53
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Andrew
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19 Feb 2014 13:19 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Louisa Caroline Page
Name:Louisa Caroline Page Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:9 Jun 1897 Father's Name:James Page - occ, Labourer Mother's name:Louise Catherine Page Parish or Poor Law Union:Rotherhithe All Saints Borough:Southwark Register Type:Parish Registers
Address is same as 1901 census posted by Reggie
Andy
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ErikaH
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19 Feb 2014 12:57 |
Did you discount this one?
1901 census
Person: PAGE, Louisa Address: 14, Risdon Street, Rotherhithe
PAGE, James Head Married M 37 1864 Dock Laborer Millbrook, Hampshire VIEW PAGE, Louisa Wife Married F 40 1861 Bermondsey, London VIEW PAGE, Rose Daughter Single F 13 1888 Rotherhithe, London VIEW PAGE, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 12 1889 Rotherhithe VIEW PAGE, James Son Single M 10 1891 Rotherhithe VIEW PAGE, George Son Single M 8 1893 Rotherhithe VIEW PAGE, William Son Single M 7 1894 Rotherhithe VIEW PAGE, Louisa Daughter Single F 3 1898 Rotherhithe VIEW PAGE, Agnes Daughter Single F 2 1899 Rotherhithe VIEW PAGE, William Boarder Widower M 52 1849 General Laborer Millbrook, Hampshire VIEW PAGE, Emma Boarder Single F 27 1874 Domestic Servant Rotherhithe, London
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