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1901 census Harry and Margaret Archer

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Marian

Marian Report 17 Feb 2014 16:52

Hello everyone. I had to log off unexpectedly last night. Thank you all for the information above. I wonder if someone could have a look at the probate date for Lila's father, Thomas Harrison Byers who died 1914 (from Ancestry) then I can send for the two Wills. Thank you. PS this is just a quick post as I'm at work but about to finish so will pick up tonight after tea. Thanks.
OOPS - just seen page 2 - thank you all again.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Feb 2014 11:09

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Maud Archer
Gender:Female
Baptism Date:11 May 1897
Baptism Place:Grewelthorpe, York, England
Father: Harry Archer
Mother: Margaret Elizabeth
FHL Film Number:1849316
Reference ID:item 6 p 46

Chris :)

•BYERS, George - Thomas Harrison + Rachel of East Shaws, Farmer, 25 Jun 1870
•BYERS, George Wheatley - Thomas Harrison + Rachel of East Shaws, Farmer, 17 Oct 1863
•BYERS, James - Thomas Harrison + Rachel of East Shaws, Farmer, 27 Sep 1861
•BYERS, Margaret Elizabeth - Thomas Harrison + Rachel of East Shaws, Farmer, 11 Sep 1868

http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/Transcriptions/DUR/XWHO.html

Whorlton Baptisms 1841-1899

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Feb 2014 10:34

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
Hull Harold Samuel Ashton 8d 498

Death

Name: HULL, Harold Samuel
Registration district: Windsor & Maidenhead
County: Berkshire
Year of registration: 1980
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Date of Birth:6 July 1900
Volume no: 19
Page no: 0742

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Feb 2014 10:31

Births Jun 1897 (>99%)
Archer Maud Ripon 9a 85


Death

Name: HULL, Maud Archer
Registration district: Wycombe
County: Buckinghamshire
Year of registration: 1978
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Date of Birth:19 April 1897
Volume no: 19
Page no: 1202

The inclusion of the maiden name suggests to me that no marriage took place..............

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Feb 2014 09:50

Re Maud and Harold -
I can't even see Mr Hull marrying a Maud with any surname she could have had from a previous marriage. Not per FreeBMD, anyway - assuming only one previous marriage.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Feb 2014 08:36

Leeds Times
Publication date:Saturday 14 April 1894

Archer - Byers. April 11th, at the Parish Church, Whorlton, Harry son of James Archer Harrogate, late of Rokeby, to Margaret Elizabeth Byers daughter of Thomas Harrison Byers, South Thorpe, Winston.

(also in above Newspaper)

Chris :)

edits (if relating)

Yorkshire Gazette
Publication date:Saturday 14 January 1899

On the 10th, at St. Peter's, Harrogate, the Rev Robert Goodacre Cope, eldest surviving son the late William Cope, of Hempshall, Notts, to Alice Lily, only daughter of James Archer, late of Combermere, Sledmere, and Rokeby.

patchem

patchem Report 17 Feb 2014 00:05

Not having any luck with a marriage of Maud Archer to Harold Samuel Hull.

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 16 Feb 2014 23:43

That death in 1942 is her. Here is the probate record....

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Margaret Elizabeth Archer
Probate Date: 10 Aug 1942
Death Date: 4 Apr 1942
Death Place: Darlington
Registry: Llandudno

Margaret Elizabeth Archer, otherwise Lilla, of 36 Langholm Crescent, Darlington, died 4th April 1942 at 92 Rosemary Hill Road, Streetly near Birmingham. Probate 10th August, Llandudno, to Maud Hull (wife of Harold Samuel Hull). Effects £7797.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Feb 2014 23:38

Will do!

But first, here's another possible death for Margaret - age better than the one in your OP, Marian:


Deaths Jun 1942 (>99%)
Archer Margaret E 73 Lichfield 6b 492

But of course, she could have remarried, or her death record might not show her middle initial - depends on the informant..

patchem

patchem Report 16 Feb 2014 23:34

Have you looked for a marriage for her(Margaret Elizabeth) after 1911?

Is there a full list of mourners at her father's funeral?

Added:
Her age is a long way out in that 1901 census, so death could also be out.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Feb 2014 23:25

Easily done................sleep well!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Feb 2014 23:18

Re Fanny -
sorry, Reggie and others - I was thinking about a person on another thread!
I mean Margaret /. Lilla.

Think it's time I went to bed.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Feb 2014 23:15

The 1901 census posted above by Reggie (Harry, Zilla and Maud) is correct.
Her name's transcribed as Tella on Ancestry, but in the image it's definitely Lilla.

So the Ripon death could be possible.

patchem

patchem Report 16 Feb 2014 23:15

?

1911 England Census
Maud Archer Age in 1911: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Patient Gender: Female
Birth Place: York, York, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Lewisham Union Infirmary, High Street, Lewisham
Occupation: SCHOOL Registration district: Lewisham
Registration District Number: 29 Sub-registration district: Lewisham ED, institution, or vessel: 57-61 Piece: 2806
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.
.
.Annie Ella Nurse 38
Mildred Murrin 52
Kate Susan Hawkins 28
xxxx Maud Archer 13 Willthorpe(?) Yorkshire
Charlotte Mary Bell 32
Caroline Veale 36
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.
.

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 2806.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Feb 2014 23:13

No Marian, not you...............Argyllgran

I think you should buy the 1907 death cert, Marian. That would give you his father's name, and whether or not he was married to Fanny..

Marian

Marian Report 16 Feb 2014 23:05

Hello, I haven't mentioned a Fanny. I wonder what happened to Maud.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Feb 2014 23:01

The 1907 death was for an adult - no parental info - unless the father registered it, which I doubt, as he was born in 1824

And who is Fanny?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Feb 2014 23:00

Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Archer James Nantwich 8a 501
Moss Catherine Jane Nantwich 8a 501

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Feb 2014 22:58

1891 census

Person: ARCHER, Harry Address: Drax Abby, Long Drax, Newland

ARCHER, Harry Head Single M 23 1868 Land Estate Agent
Henbury, Cheshire VIEW
ARCHER, M C J Mother Married F 48 1843
Standon, Staffordshire VIEW
ARCHER, James Brother Single M 17 1874
Wrenbury, Cheshire VIEW
ARCHER, Alice L Sister Single F 24 1867
Wrenbury, Cheshire VIEW
BREWITT, Thomas Servant Single M 22 1869 Farm Service
Barmby on the Moor, Yorkshire VIEW
SAILS, Harry Servant Single M 19 1872 Farm Service
Barmby on the Moor, Yorkshire VIEW
COOK, Dick Servant Single M 16 1875 Farm Service
Goole, Yorkshire VIEW
CALVERT, Fredk Servant Single M 15 1876 Farm Service
Skipwith, Yorkshire VIEW
BELLANY, Frank Servant Single M 20 1871 Domestic Servant Groom
Patrington, Yorkshire VIEW
RANE, Michael Servant Married M 42 1849 Farm Servant
Ireland VIEW
CHAMBERS, Emma Servant Single F 22 1869 Domestic Servant
Barningham, Yorkshire, Woodhouse

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Feb 2014 22:57

I think you should buy the 1907 death cert, Marian. That would give you his father's name, and whether or not he was married to Fanny..
[EDIT: Sorry, not Fanny! I mean Margaret / Lilla)

Without definite information, we're just stabbing in the dark.

Lilla in 1911 does sound like the right person - name and birthplace are right, and age is near enough.


For ref:
1911 England Census
about Lilla Archer

Name:
Lilla Archer
Age in 1911:
41
Estimated birth year:
abt 1870
Relation to Head:
Servant
Gender:
Female
Birth Place:
Parsk of Bamard Costle, Co Durkann
Civil Parish:
Skipton
County/Island:
Yorkshire-West Riding
Country:
England
Street address:
The Woodauds Skipton
Marital Status:
Widowed
Occupation:
Lady Housekeeper
Registration district:
Skipton
Registration District Number:
485
Sub-registration district:
Skipton
ED, institution, or vessel:
16
Piece:
25806
Frederick Shiers Smith 65
Lilla Archer 41