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Charles Robert Penerlick Bayliss

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Ed

Ed Report 10 Feb 2014 20:53

Charles born 1853 Bermondsey is with his parents in 1881 St Mary London. I would like to find out if he married please. Nothing shows for a Charles R P Bayliss but there is a possible on freebmd for a Charles Robert in 1887 Bethnal Green.
Could someone have a look and see if this is my guy ?
In 1881 Charles is shown as a carpenter and parents are George(brush maker) and Harriett.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Feb 2014 21:01

Here's that marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Charles Robert Bayliss - a carpenter of 24 Weymouth Terrace, Hackney Road.
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Age: 34
Spouse Name: Charlotte Griffiths - an ironer of 33 same street as Charles
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Jul 1887
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Bayliss - Brush Maker
Spouse Father: James Griffiths (deceased) - carman
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married.

Witnesses: James Bishop and Sarah Bishop

EDIT: The male witness is Thomas Bishop - not James

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Feb 2014 21:17

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Charles Robert Penlerick Baylis Name: Charles Robert Penlerick Baylis
[Charles Robert Penbrick Baylis]
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 Mar 1854
Born: 10th Sep 1853
Res: 5 Arnold Place, Dockhead.
Father's Name: George Baylis (Brush Maker)
Mother's Name: Harriett Baylis
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

On the same record is brother George William...born 25th Oct 1850.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Feb 2014 21:26

1911 census

Person: BAYLISS, Charles Robert
Address: 167 Bleyton Buildings Chatham Avenue Hoxton

BAYLISS, Charles Robert Head Married M 58 1853 House Painter Bermondsey London VIEW
BAYLISS, Charlotte Wife Married 28 years F 55 1856 Hackney London VIEW
BAYLISS, Charles Robert Son Single M 26 1885 Carman Hackney London VIEW
BAYLISS, Sarah Emily Daughter Single F 23 1888 Forewoman In Box Work Hoxton London VIEW
BAYLISS, Harriet Kate Daughter Single F 20 1891 Book Cullator Hoxton London VIEW
BAYLISS, William Alfred Son Single M 17 1894 Chem Lab Assistant Hoxton London VIEW
BAYLISS, Frederick Son Single M 14 1897 Errand Boy Hoxton London VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1343
Reference: RG14PN1343 RG78PN46 RD16 SD1 ED22 SN288
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub District: Shoreditch South
Enumeration District: 22
Parish: Shoreditch
Address: 167 Bleyton Buildings Chatham Avenue Hoxton
County: London
(5 children born and living)

Ed

Ed Report 10 Feb 2014 21:26

So it is my guy. Great. Any chance of tracing Charlotte?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Feb 2014 21:36

???????????

Name: Charlotte Griffith
Event Type: Birth
Event Year: 1857
Event Place: Hackney, London, England
County: London
Page: 311
Volume: 1
Registration Quarter: 2

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Feb 2014 21:38

Name: Charlotte Griffiths
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1887
Event Place: Bethnal Green, London, England
County: London
Page: 499
Volume: 1
Affiliate Line Number: 13
Registration Quarter: 3

Charlotte Griffiths probably married one of the following people
Name: Charles Robert Bayliss
Name: Matilda Ebdon
Name: Samuel Gardner

alviegal

alviegal Report 10 Feb 2014 21:39

???

1861 census transcription details for: 29, Margaret Street, Saint John At Hackney
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 159
Folio: 69
Page: 44
Reg. District: Hackney
Sub District: 4 Hackney
Parish: Saint John At Hackney
Enum. District: 17
Ecclesiastical District: St Barnabas Homerton
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 29, Margaret Street, Saint John At Hackney
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GRIFFITHS, James W Head Married M 32 1829 Dock Labourer
Hackney, Middlesex
GRIFFITHS, Mary Wife Married F 28 1833
..., Essex
GRIFFITHS, Sarah Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar
Hackney, Middlesex
GRIFFITHS, Eliza Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
Hackney, Middlesex
GRIFFITHS, Charlotte Daughter F 4 1857
Hackney, Middlesex
GRIFFITHS, James W Son M 2 1859
Hackney, Middlesex


1871 census transcription details for: Margaret Street, St John Hackney
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 326
Folio: 140
Page: 49
Reg. District: Hackney
Sub District: Hackney
Parish: St John Hackney
Enum. District: 32
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Margaret Street, St John Hackney
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GRIFFITH, James W Head labourer M 43 1828 Middlesex
GRIFFITH, Mary Wife F 40 1831 Middlesex
GRIFFITH, Charlotte Daughter F 13 1858 Middlesex
GRIFFITH, James W Son M 11 1860 Middlesex
GRIFFITH, John A Son M 9 1862 Middlesex

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Feb 2014 22:36

Going back to the marriage record.......the witnesses are actually "Thomas" and Sarah Bishop.

The above census records show that the above Charlotte has a sister Sarah...

I found this marriage record but father James is a...Shoemaker...


..London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Sarah Griffith Name: Sarah Griffith (Spinster) 25 Eaton Place
Spouse Name: Thomas Bishop (Bachelor) Mathmaticle? Instrument Maker
Res: 1 Eaton Place
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Mar 1881
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: James Griffith (Shoemaker)
Spouse Father: Joseph Bishop (Draper)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: Joseph Bishop and Hannah Lawndrow



..1881 England Census
about Sarah Bishop Name: Sarah Bishop
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Thomas Bishop
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St John Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 41 Loddiges Road
Marital status: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Hackney
Sub-registration District: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 19a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 301
Folio: 98
Page Number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bishop 25
Sarah Bishop 29







Ed

Ed Report 10 Feb 2014 22:38

I had a look for Charles Robert birth 1885 Hackney on freebmd with no luck . Looked under Bayliss,Griffith and Griffiths using both Charles and Charles Robert.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Feb 2014 22:51

I had the same lack of success too, Ed.

Found baptisms for William, Frederick and Harriet but not the elder children.

Ed

Ed Report 10 Feb 2014 23:11

Does the family show up in 1891/01 by chance?

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 11 Feb 2014 08:48

Hi Ed

Are you referring to Charles and Charlotte in the 1891 and 1901 census?

If so...

..1901 England Census
about Charles Baylis Name: Charles Baylis
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Charlotte Baylis
Birth Place: Bermondsey, London, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Hoxton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 271
Folio: 166
Page Number: 48
Household Schedule Number: 336
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Baylis 50 (Carpenter)
Charlotte Baylis 41
Charles Baylis 16
Sarah Baylis 13
Harriett Baylis 10
William Baylis 7
Frederick Baylis 4


1891 England Census
about Charles Baylis Name: Charles Baylis
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Baylis
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Horton
ED, institution, or vessel: 15:2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 245
Folio: 20
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Baylis 42 (Carpenter)
Charlotte Baylis 33
Minnie Baylis
Charlotte Baylis 9
Charles Baylis 7
Sarah Baylis 3
Harriett Baylis 1

On the 1911 census, it states that Charles and Charlotte have 5 children born and living. All 5 children appear to be on the census.......and yet, on the 1891 census, there appears to be two more daughters.... Minnie and Charlotte.

It is difficult to read Minnie's age on the 1891 census. 33 was written in and then crossed out.......it might possibly be 10?







PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 11 Feb 2014 12:51

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Harriet Kate Bayliss (Spinster) Book Colluator?
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Albert William Tilley (Bachelor) Machine Minder
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Feb 1912
Parish: Hoxton St Saviour
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Charles Robert Bayliss (Painter)
Spouse Father: George Thomas Tilley (Engineer)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: Charles Robert Bayliss and Sarah Emily Bayliss.


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Harriet K Tilley Name: Harriet K Tilley
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Dec 1968
Age at Death: 78
Registration District: Barnet
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5a
Page: 97


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Frederick Bayliss Name: Frederick Bayliss
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Sep 1896
Born: 8th Sep 1896
Res: 161 Chatham Avenue
Father's Name: Charles Bayliss (House Decorater)
Mother's Name: Charlotte Bayliss
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers


..England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Frederick Bayliss
Spouse Name: Emily C Kane
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923
Registration District: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 170






Ed

Ed Report 11 Feb 2014 16:08

Minnie and Charlotte may be registered under father's name whoever he may be but I can not see the birth registration for Harriett Kate on freebmd.
Thanks for info

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Feb 2014 18:48

Perhaps this is it and "Kate" was added later on?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1890
Bayliss Harriet Shoreditch 1c 61

ADDED:
It's extremely unlikely that Minnie and Charlotte would be registered in their biological father's name if Charlotte snr wasn't married to him.