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MarieCeleste
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11 Feb 2014 18:48 |
Perhaps this is it and "Kate" was added later on?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Jun 1890 Bayliss Harriet Shoreditch 1c 61
ADDED: It's extremely unlikely that Minnie and Charlotte would be registered in their biological father's name if Charlotte snr wasn't married to him.
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Ed
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11 Feb 2014 16:08 |
Minnie and Charlotte may be registered under father's name whoever he may be but I can not see the birth registration for Harriett Kate on freebmd. Thanks for info
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PricklyHolly
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11 Feb 2014 12:51 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Harriet Kate Bayliss (Spinster) Book Colluator? Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Age: 21 Spouse Name: Albert William Tilley (Bachelor) Machine Minder Spouse Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 14 Feb 1912 Parish: Hoxton St Saviour Borough: Hackney Father Name: Charles Robert Bayliss (Painter) Spouse Father: George Thomas Tilley (Engineer) Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: Charles Robert Bayliss and Sarah Emily Bayliss.
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Harriet K Tilley Name: Harriet K Tilley Birth Date: abt 1890 Date of Registration: Dec 1968 Age at Death: 78 Registration District: Barnet Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 5a Page: 97
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Frederick Bayliss Name: Frederick Bayliss Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 25 Sep 1896 Born: 8th Sep 1896 Res: 161 Chatham Avenue Father's Name: Charles Bayliss (House Decorater) Mother's Name: Charlotte Bayliss Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Mary Borough: Hackney Register Type: Parish Registers
..England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Frederick Bayliss Spouse Name: Emily C Kane Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923 Registration District: Shoreditch Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1c Page Number: 170
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PricklyHolly
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11 Feb 2014 08:48 |
Hi Ed
Are you referring to Charles and Charlotte in the 1891 and 1901 census?
If so...
..1901 England Census about Charles Baylis Name: Charles Baylis Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Charlotte Baylis Birth Place: Bermondsey, London, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Hoxton County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Shoreditch Sub-registration District: Hoxton New Town ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 271 Folio: 166 Page Number: 48 Household Schedule Number: 336 Household Members: Name Age Charles Baylis 50 (Carpenter) Charlotte Baylis 41 Charles Baylis 16 Sarah Baylis 13 Harriett Baylis 10 William Baylis 7 Frederick Baylis 4
1891 England Census about Charles Baylis Name: Charles Baylis Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Charlotte Baylis Gender: Male Where born: Bermondsey, London, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Shoreditch Sub-registration District: Horton ED, institution, or vessel: 15:2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 245 Folio: 20 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age Charles Baylis 42 (Carpenter) Charlotte Baylis 33 Minnie Baylis Charlotte Baylis 9 Charles Baylis 7 Sarah Baylis 3 Harriett Baylis 1
On the 1911 census, it states that Charles and Charlotte have 5 children born and living. All 5 children appear to be on the census.......and yet, on the 1891 census, there appears to be two more daughters.... Minnie and Charlotte.
It is difficult to read Minnie's age on the 1891 census. 33 was written in and then crossed out.......it might possibly be 10?
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Ed
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10 Feb 2014 23:11 |
Does the family show up in 1891/01 by chance?
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MarieCeleste
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10 Feb 2014 22:51 |
I had the same lack of success too, Ed.
Found baptisms for William, Frederick and Harriet but not the elder children.
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Ed
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10 Feb 2014 22:38 |
I had a look for Charles Robert birth 1885 Hackney on freebmd with no luck . Looked under Bayliss,Griffith and Griffiths using both Charles and Charles Robert.
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PricklyHolly
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10 Feb 2014 22:36 |
Going back to the marriage record.......the witnesses are actually "Thomas" and Sarah Bishop.
The above census records show that the above Charlotte has a sister Sarah...
I found this marriage record but father James is a...Shoemaker...
..London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Sarah Griffith Name: Sarah Griffith (Spinster) 25 Eaton Place Spouse Name: Thomas Bishop (Bachelor) Mathmaticle? Instrument Maker Res: 1 Eaton Place Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 21 Mar 1881 Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem Borough: Hackney Father Name: James Griffith (Shoemaker) Spouse Father: Joseph Bishop (Draper) Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: Joseph Bishop and Hannah Lawndrow
..1881 England Census about Sarah Bishop Name: Sarah Bishop Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: Thomas Bishop Gender: Female Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St John Hackney County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 41 Loddiges Road Marital status: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Hackney Sub-registration District: West Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 19a Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 301 Folio: 98 Page Number: 55 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Bishop 25 Sarah Bishop 29
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10 Feb 2014 21:39 |
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1861 census transcription details for: 29, Margaret Street, Saint John At Hackney Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 159 Folio: 69 Page: 44 Reg. District: Hackney Sub District: 4 Hackney Parish: Saint John At Hackney Enum. District: 17 Ecclesiastical District: St Barnabas Homerton City/Municipal Borough: Address: 29, Margaret Street, Saint John At Hackney County: London Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born GRIFFITHS, James W Head Married M 32 1829 Dock Labourer Hackney, Middlesex GRIFFITHS, Mary Wife Married F 28 1833 ..., Essex GRIFFITHS, Sarah Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex GRIFFITHS, Eliza Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex GRIFFITHS, Charlotte Daughter F 4 1857 Hackney, Middlesex GRIFFITHS, James W Son M 2 1859 Hackney, Middlesex
1871 census transcription details for: Margaret Street, St John Hackney Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 326 Folio: 140 Page: 49 Reg. District: Hackney Sub District: Hackney Parish: St John Hackney Enum. District: 32 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Margaret Street, St John Hackney County: London, Middlesex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born GRIFFITH, James W Head labourer M 43 1828 Middlesex GRIFFITH, Mary Wife F 40 1831 Middlesex GRIFFITH, Charlotte Daughter F 13 1858 Middlesex GRIFFITH, James W Son M 11 1860 Middlesex GRIFFITH, John A Son M 9 1862 Middlesex
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AnnCardiff
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10 Feb 2014 21:38 |
Name: Charlotte Griffiths Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 1887 Event Place: Bethnal Green, London, England County: London Page: 499 Volume: 1 Affiliate Line Number: 13 Registration Quarter: 3
Charlotte Griffiths probably married one of the following people Name: Charles Robert Bayliss Name: Matilda Ebdon Name: Samuel Gardner
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AnnCardiff
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10 Feb 2014 21:36 |
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Name: Charlotte Griffith Event Type: Birth Event Year: 1857 Event Place: Hackney, London, England County: London Page: 311 Volume: 1 Registration Quarter: 2
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Ed
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10 Feb 2014 21:26 |
So it is my guy. Great. Any chance of tracing Charlotte?
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PricklyHolly
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10 Feb 2014 21:26 |
1911 census Person: BAYLISS, Charles Robert Address: 167 Bleyton Buildings Chatham Avenue Hoxton BAYLISS, Charles Robert Head Married M 58 1853 House Painter Bermondsey London VIEW BAYLISS, Charlotte Wife Married 28 years F 55 1856 Hackney London VIEW BAYLISS, Charles Robert Son Single M 26 1885 Carman Hackney London VIEW BAYLISS, Sarah Emily Daughter Single F 23 1888 Forewoman In Box Work Hoxton London VIEW BAYLISS, Harriet Kate Daughter Single F 20 1891 Book Cullator Hoxton London VIEW BAYLISS, William Alfred Son Single M 17 1894 Chem Lab Assistant Hoxton London VIEW BAYLISS, Frederick Son Single M 14 1897 Errand Boy Hoxton London VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 1343 Reference: RG14PN1343 RG78PN46 RD16 SD1 ED22 SN288 Registration District: Shoreditch Sub District: Shoreditch South Enumeration District: 22 Parish: Shoreditch Address: 167 Bleyton Buildings Chatham Avenue Hoxton County: London (5 children born and living)
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PricklyHolly
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10 Feb 2014 21:17 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Charles Robert Penlerick Baylis Name: Charles Robert Penlerick Baylis [Charles Robert Penbrick Baylis] Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 10 Mar 1854 Born: 10th Sep 1853 Res: 5 Arnold Place, Dockhead. Father's Name: George Baylis (Brush Maker) Mother's Name: Harriett Baylis Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey Christ Church Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
On the same record is brother George William...born 25th Oct 1850.
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MarieCeleste
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10 Feb 2014 21:01 |
Here's that marriage:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Charles Robert Bayliss - a carpenter of 24 Weymouth Terrace, Hackney Road. Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Age: 34 Spouse Name: Charlotte Griffiths - an ironer of 33 same street as Charles Spouse Age: 28 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Jul 1887 Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: George Bayliss - Brush Maker Spouse Father: James Griffiths (deceased) - carman Register Type: Parish Register
Neither previously married.
Witnesses: James Bishop and Sarah Bishop
EDIT: The male witness is Thomas Bishop - not James
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Ed
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10 Feb 2014 20:53 |
Charles born 1853 Bermondsey is with his parents in 1881 St Mary London. I would like to find out if he married please. Nothing shows for a Charles R P Bayliss but there is a possible on freebmd for a Charles Robert in 1887 Bethnal Green. Could someone have a look and see if this is my guy ? In 1881 Charles is shown as a carpenter and parents are George(brush maker) and Harriett.
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