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Wow mgnv, thank you so much. I am flying out to the Netherlands tomorrow for several weeks with a work contract so may be offline (not if I can avoid it), but I will return to this. I intend on visiting the Chester RO soon to check into these families more there, and your use of the maps is astounding! Absolutely amazing to see and I've not heard of that idea before (I mean digitially).

With this, thank you for placing Samuel next to his father Richard (c.1785-1847) - wow, fascinating. I am just sorry I am going to have to leave it for a while but thank you!

Very best wishes,

Peter

Peter - I presume you've been checking out the appropriate collections at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

Although these say "no image available", they're just meaning via their site.
The image is available on FMP (and GR, I presume).

E.g. Sam & Sue's 1841 marr is by banns, and the witnesses are Samuel Burkhill (I think - there is one in ho107/97/8/etc) & Thomas Warburton. Witnesses are often rellies, but Sam & Sue made marks, and Thos is also a witness on the other marr on that page, so I thought I'ld check if Thos was a "professional" witness (usually a mate of the parish clerk). I checked the names on the GRO pages preceeding and following Sam & Sue's page. Since there's a local index for this church, I could find an entry for the next quarter, and so compile a list of adjacent entries.
Maybe the UK version of FMP just lets me click to the next image, but I've not got that. Anyways, I've prefixed a W on those marrs where Thos Warburton is a witness:

1841q1
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
- FRYER Samuel NICKSON Mary A Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/89
- BROWN Peter MANTON Sarah Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/90
- ASHLEY Ellen PICKERING John R Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/91
W GARNER Mary LITTLEMORE John Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/92
W DODD William H T SMITH Margaret Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/93
W ABRAHAMS Samuel DARLINGTON Martha Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/94
W*WORRALL Samuel WORRALL Susan Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/95
W CARRINGTON John LEECH Sarah Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/96
W JONES Charles SMITH Mary Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/97
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W DARWELL Thomas FENNEY Mary Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/98
W WOODS Samuel RAWLINSON Betsy Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/99
W ASTON Ann CLARK Joseph Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/100
- WATSON John HAMBLETON Mary Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/101
W WORRALL Anne CLARK Joseph Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/102

So fromour marr, the 6 preceeding marrs, and the 7 following marrs, Thos is a witness on 10 of the 14 - a professional witness, I would say.

General link for local indexes:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
in particular:
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

INB I've sent Peter a pm re-my sending images to him.

This is the complete h/h (plus next door) corresponding to Reggie's partial 1841 census:

1841 Englandd Census Transcription
Birth County:CHESHIRE [for everyone]
Street:OVERTON
Parish:FRODSHAM
City:-
County:Cheshire
Country:ENGLAND
House Number:-
House Name:-
Registration District:RUNCORN
Town:FRODSHAM
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:97 Book:8 Folio:20 Page:1

RICHARD WORRALL 1791 50 Ag Lab
HANNAH WORRALL 1796 45
RICHARD WORRALL 1821 20
JOSEPH WORRALL 1832 9
ELIZABETH WORRALL 1833 8
ELIZA WORRALL 1835 6
==Next house ===================================
SAMUEL WORRALL 1816 25 Ag Lab
SUSANAH WORRALL 1806 35
JOSEPH WORRALL 1841 0[6m]
ELIZABETH WORRALL 1841 0[6m]

Note that Shirley's 1841 census has the ref:
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:97 Book:8 Folio:10 Page:3
and the addy is Hartley (which is abt 1km W of Netherton).

An aside:
Go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html and input the coords 351000,377100
Then select the 1873 1:2500 map (the oldest available at a usable scale).
The coords are for 100m E of Hartley, so as to get Netherton in frame too.
End of aside.

If one is going to investigate relationships between the Worrall's, it would help to have an easy way of finding the 1841 Worrals at this end of Frodsham. On Ancestry, one can search just one census year (except 1901, which they recently broke) using just bits of the census ref, so select the 1841 census, enter Worrall, and the piece # =97 plus the book # =8, and you get 39 hits. If you have an Ancestry sub, then you can just click on the names to get details and images. If you don't then all you get to see are the names and ages, but if you've got a GR or FMP sub, you can look them up, in particular:

Piece Folio Page Full name Registration district
HO107/97 8/14 10 WORRALL, Joseph Runcorn a=15
HO107/97 8/27 14 WORRALL, Thomas Runcorn a=50
HO107/97 8/29 18 WORRALL, Thomas Runcorn a=35
HO107/97 8/31 22 WORRALL, John Runcorn a=35
HO107/97 8/42 18 WORRALL, Samuel Runcorn a=35

gets images of the other 22 Worrall's.

This also looks like Betsey's twin, Joseph:

Joseph Worrall

England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900

birth: 1839
burial: 24 February 1853 Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 24 February 1853 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England

Name Joseph Worrall
Event Type Burial
Event Date 24 Feb 1853
Event Place Frodsham, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age 14

Thank you, although frustratingly there is more than one John and Elizabeth/Betty Worrall with children being baptised at that time?

Elizabeth Worrall

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000

christening: 1 January 1800 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 1 January 1800 , , England, Cheshire

father: John Worrall
mother: Betty Worrall

Elizabeth Worrall

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000

christening: 27 April 1800 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 27 April 1800 , , England, Cheshire

father: John Worrall
mother: Elizabeth Worrall

Susan Worrall

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000

christening: 14 July 1805 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 14 July 1805 , , England, Cheshire

father: John Worrall
mother: Elizabeth

Mary Worrall

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000

christening: 8 March 1808 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 8 March 1808 , , England, Cheshire

father: John Worrall
mother: Betty

Short of a visit to Chester, is there an easier way to look at the records themselves?

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Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record

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Forenames: John
Surname: Worrall
Sex: Male
Christening Year: 1777
Christening Date: 20 Jun 1777
Date of Birth:
Place of Birth:
Father's Forenames: Samuel
Father's Surname: Worrall
Mother's Forename: Rachel
Mother's Surname:
Record Group: Part 1 - 43
Record Number: 410
Parish: St. Mary
City or Town: Birkenhead
County: Cheshire
Record source: Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms 1538-1910
Data provider: Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

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41 England Census about John Worrall
Name: John Worrall
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Frodsham
Hundred: Eddisbury (Second Division)
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Runcorn
Sub-registration District: Frodsham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 97
Book: 8
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
John Worrall 65
Betty Worrall 60
Joseh Worrall 20
Joseph Worrall 5
Ellen Worrall 2

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 97; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Frodsham; County: Cheshire; Enumeration District: 6; Page: 3; Line: 10; GSU roll: 241237.

have you found John Worrall on any census to give an idea of his birth year?

Possible baptism?

Name: Susan Worrall
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 Jul 1805
Baptism Place: Frodsham, Cheshire, England
Father: John Worrall
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 1655670

It seems as though Susan Worrall was baptised in 1805 to John Worrall and Elizabeth Cooper (married in Frodsham in 1799).

Could someone please look to see if they can find John's baptism. I have a possibility or two but would like a second opinion.

Thank you,

Peter

Possible burial for Susannah?

Name: Susan Worrall
Gender: Female
Death Age: 80
Burial Date: 22 Aug 1882
Burial Place: , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
Burial Age: 80y
FHL Film Number: 2104550

Thank you for this - so it seems as though Betsey/Betty/Elizabeth was the illegitimate daughter of Susan Worrall, and along with a twin, Joseph, she was baptised in 1840.

Her parents, Susan Worrall and Samuel Worrall were married a few months later.

I wonder if Susan and Samuel were cousins? I'll have a look - and thank you for this.

PLEASE DON'T LOOK INTO Samuel's parents etc. They were Richard and Hannah Whalley Worrall ...I carried out a post into them recently. Betsy however, then married a distant uncle (Thomas Wakefield), from another line ... wow, complex!

Thank you,

Peter

Name: Sarah Worrall
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1847
Registration District: Runcorn
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 19
Page: 224

1851 England Census about Elizabeth Worrall
Name: Elizabeth Worrall
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel Worrall
Mother's Name: Susanah Worrall
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Overton, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Frodsham Lordship
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Runcorn
Sub-registration District: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 70
Piece: 2164
Folio: 719
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Worrall 34
Susanah Worrall 50
Joseph Worrall 10
Elizabeth Worrall 10
Sarah Worrall 4

1851 census transcription details for: Top Lane, Frodsham Lordship


National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2164
Folio: 719
Page: 18
Reg. District: Runcorn
Sub District: Frodsham
Parish: Frodsham Lordship
Enum. District: 2B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Top Lane, Frodsham Lordship
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WORRALL, Samuel Head Married M 34 1817 Stone Quarry Labourer
Overton, Cheshire
WORRALL, Susanah Wife Married F 50 1801
Frodsham, Cheshire
WORRALL, Joseph Son M 10 1841 Scholar
Overton, Cheshire
WORRALL, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar
Overton, Cheshire
WORRALL, Sarah Daughter F 4 1847
Overton, Cheshire

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Births Dec 1840 (>99%)
Worrall Betty Runcorn 19 192
Worrall Joseph Runcorn 19 192

1881 census ? Looks like Betsy could be Elizabeth?

Name: Betsy Worrall
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Susan Worrall
Gender: Female
Where born: Frodsham, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Frodsham Lordship
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: Five Crosses
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Charwoman

Registration District: Runcorn
Sub-registration District: Frodsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3518
Folio: 23
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Worrall 70
Betsy Worrall 40
Sarah Worrall 15
William Worrall 3

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Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: WORRALL, Samuel
Registration district: Runcorn
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1841
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 19
Page no: 164
MarriageFinder: Samuel Worrall married one of the following people:

DARLINGTON, Martha
LEECH, Sarah
SMITH, Margaret
WORRALL, Susan ?????????
ABRAHAM, Samuel
CARRINGTON, John
DODD, William

Forenames:Elizabeth
Surname:Worrall
Sex:Female
Christening Year:1840
Christening Date:27 Dec 1840
Date of Birth:Age:
Location:Frodsham
Father's Forenames:Father's Surname:
Mother's Forename:Susan
Mother's Surname:Worrall
Parish:City or Town:FrodshamCounty:CheshireRecord source:Diocese of Chester Bishop's Transcripts of Baptisms Data provider:Cheshire Archives and Local Studies Transcriptions © Family Search

Samuel Worrall, "England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000"
Name: Samuel Worrall
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 09 Mar 1841
Event Place: , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Age (Formatted):
Birth Date:
Marital Status:
Father's Name: Richard Worrall
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Name: Susan Worrall
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father's Name: John Worrall
Spouse's Mother's Name:
GS Film number: 2104549
Digital Folder Number: 004018977