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Hi
Can anyone help me find a marriage for Ann Rice, I am researching this family and I knew that other trees state she died ic1828.
However, I believe she survived perhaps there are more one person!
Her parents are William Rice and Caroline Rice (nee Dudley)
in 1841 she is working as a servant in Reigate, Surrey.
in 1851 she is the wife of William Taylor who was born c1812/13 who was born in Cardsley Hertfordshire or London depending on the census, his occupation being a fancy soap maker.
In 1851 they are in St Giles in the Fields, London
In 1861 Saffron Hill
1871 Ely Rents, hatton garden and saffron hill
1881 St George, Bloomsbury
In 1891 & 1901 being a widow she is residing with her brother George Rice in Berkhamstead.
she had a least 3 children William c1850, Harry 1854 and Fanny 1860.
So, I am looking for marriage to William Taylor somewhere between 1841 and 1851, to prove she is Ann Rice but I can't find one. I did wonder about a previous marriage and found Ann Rice marrying a Marcus Forbes in London in 1842, but I can't find a marriage of William Taylor to Ann Forbes
Further evidence ithat she is a Rice is that her daughter-in-law Mary Ann Taylor as relative staying with her William Rice born c1866 Ewell, Surrey which would be Ann's nephew
Can anyone help?
Regards
Mark

have you obtained the birth certificate of one of the Taylor children ?

that would settle the issue of their mother's name and is probably the only way you will do it.


for info

1851 does not match the info at all

Name: Ann Taylor
Age: 26
> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Taylor
> Where born: St Martins, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Giles in the Fields

> Name: William Taylor occupation poultry hawker
Age: 39
> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Taylor
> Where born: St Giles, Middlesex, England

They have a son William aged 1

1861

Name: Ann Taylor
Age: 34
> Estimated Birth Year: 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Taylor
> Where born: Leigh, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Saffron Hill

> Name: William Taylor occupation cab driver
Age: 46
> Estimated Birth Year: 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Taylor
> Where born: Cardsley, Herefordshire, England

son William aged 11 is mistrancribed as 4


1871

Name: Ann Taylor
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Taylor
Gender: Female
Where born: Leigh, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Ely Rents and Hatton Garden and Saffron Hill

William is again a cab driver


why am I not finding a fancy soap maker in 1851 ?


William was a good deal older than Ann. Very possibly he had been married before and his wife was not deceased, so they were not able to marry.

these are the only two records for the name Marcus Forbes before 1949

Marriages Jun 1842
FORBES Marcus Kensington 3 194
Deaths Sep 1846
Forbes Marcus Southampton 7 156

so that could have been your Ann marrying him and she could have been a widow, but still unable to marry if William was married.

Hi Joonie,

many thanks for your answer,

Re fancy soap maker sorry confusing the facts their son William was in that profrssion

Following on from Joonie


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:Ann Rice

Spouse Name:Marcus Forbes <<Mariner

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:1 May 1842

Parish:Fulham All Saints

Borough:Hammersmith and Fulham

Father Name:William Rice <<No occupation given

Spouse Father:John Forbes <<Sergeant major

Register Type:Parish Register

Found the correct 1851 census.
Ann and William are in Saffron Hill, she claims to born 1822 from Reigate and William from Kington Herefordshire.
Piece 1515
Folio 60
page 31
ED St Peter
RD Holborn
Can find this record on genes but not ancestry

Brothers marriage to Ann Stevens.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Rice
Name: George Rice
Spouse Name: Ann Stevens
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 5 Sep 1848

Married Sept 12th*********************************
Parish: New Brentford St Lawrence
Borough: Hounslow
Register Type: Parish Register

There seems to have been more than one Ann Rice in the Reigate area this one married at Dorking, just up the road from Reigate and her father was also William, a labourer. There is no Rice/Taylor marriage in Surrey Parish Records 1757-1937

Ann Rice
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 13 Feb 1869
Archive Provided Parish: Dorking, St Martin
Parish as it Appears: Dorking
Spouse:
Isaac Weller
Spouse Age: Full Age
Father: William Rice
Spouse Father: David Weller
Reference Number: DOM/2/2/4

The one that died in 1828

Name: Ann Rice
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1828
Burial Date: 24 May 1828
Age: 20/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Parish or Poor Law Union: Ockley
County: Surrey
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Your Ann's baptism, her father is a labourer. Leigh is next door to Reigate.

Name: Ann Rice
Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1826
Archive Provided Parish: Leigh, St Bartholomew
Parish as it Appears: Leigh
Father: William Rice
Mother: Caroline Rice
Reference Number: P19/1/6

This is the 1851 that you found Mark.

1851 census transcription details for: 22, Leather Lane, Liberty Of Saffron Hill Hatton Garden Ely Rents & Ely Place In The County Of Middlesex, Finsbury
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1515
Folio: 60
Page: 31
Reg. District: Holborn
Sub District: Saffron Hill Hatton Garden Ely Rents and Ely Place
Parish: Liberty of Saffron Hill Hatton Garden Ely Rents & Ely Place in the County of Middlesex
Enum. District: 1C
Ecclesiastical District: St Peter
City/Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: 22, Leather Lane, Liberty Of Saffron Hill Hatton Garden Ely Rents & Ely Place In The County Of Middlesex, Finsbury
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TAYLOR, William Head Married M 34 1817 Cabman Journeyman
Kinton, Herefordshire
TAYLOR, Ann Wife Married F 28 1823
Reigate, Surrey
TAYLOR, William Son Unmarried M 0 (10 MOS) 1851
St Andrew Holborn