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Looking for any information on John Patrick Carroll.Appears in 1861 census living
in Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire. Birth year 1851? Westport Ireland.
Thank You Clive Carroll

any idea who he married?

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Name: John Carroll
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1874
Event Place: Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire, England
County: Staffordshire
Page: 109
Volume: 6
Affiliate Line Number: 116
Registration Quarter: 1
John Carroll probably married one of the following people
Name: William Flanagan
Name: Margaret Gill
Name: Sarah Ann Smith

hmmm - this one looks more promising?

Name: John Carroll
Age (Original): 30
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1851
Birthplace: Ireland
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer General
Address: 2 Leeches Row
Event Place: Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341647
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2700 / 74
Page Number: 20
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head John Carroll M 30 Ireland
Wife Margaret Carroll F 25 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Daughter Mary Ann Carroll F 6 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Son Patrick Carroll M 5 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Daughter Elizabeth Carroll F 1 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England

or this maybe???????

Name: John Carrol
Age (Original): 32
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1849
Birthplace: Ireland
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer Ironworks
Address: 73 Lower St
Event Place: Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341647
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2700 / 40
Page Number: 15
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head John Carrol M 32 Ireland
Wife Ann Carrol F 36 Ireland
Son John Burke M 18 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Son James Burke M 16 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Son Arthur Burke M 12 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Daughter Annie Burke F 10 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Daughter Catharine Burke F 7 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Son Patrick Burke M 5 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Daughter Mary Ellen Burke F 3 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Cousin Thomas Riley M 22 Ireland
Cousin Patrick Allan M 35 Ireland
Cousin Michael Rourke M 34 Ireland
Boarder John Mannion M 22 Ireland
Lodger Head Thomas Daly M 69 Ireland
Wife Susannah Daly F 64 Ireland
Son James Daly M 28 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England

Hello Clive perhaps if you could tell us how you connected to your John Patrick Carroll we could ensure you receive records pertinent to your search.

Could you be more specific about the 1861 census that you refer to? Who was he with?

Is this him in 1881? It does say born Westport, Ireland:

1881 England Census
about John Carroll Name: John Carroll
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Margaret Carroll
Gender: Male
Where born: Westport, Ireland

Civil Parish: Newcastle Under Lyme
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Leeches Row
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Labourer General

Registration District: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration District: Newcastle Under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2700
Folio: 74
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
John Carroll 30
Margaret Carroll 25
Mary Ann Carroll 6
Patrick Carroll 5
Elizabeth Carroll

Young Elizabeth is 15 months old.

Possible marriage:

Marriages Mar 1874 (>99%)
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CARROLL John Newcastle L. 6b 109
Gill Margaret Newcastle L. 6b 109

Did he stay in England or move on to America, as there are several there fitting your description to a greater or lesser degree?

This one almost fits his age:
Deaths Mar 1925
Carroll John P 72 Auckland 10a 296

This looks like the 1881 family in 1891 - Margaret is a widow; family living at 3 Leeches Row:

1891 England Census
Patrick Carrol
Age:15
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1876
Relation:Son
Mother's Name:Margaret Carrol
Where born:Newcastle, Staffordshire, England

Margaret Carrol 36
Mary A Carrol 16
Patrick Carrol 15
Michael Carrol 9
Elizabeth Carrol 11
Austin Carrol 4

Possible death, although age is a bit out:

Deaths Mar 1889 (>99%)
Carroll John 36 Newcastle L. 6b 43

Also a possible for Margaret. I can find the children in later censuses and Austin is in the workhouse in 1901:

Deaths Sep 1891 (>99%)
Carroll Margaret 36 Newcastle L 6b 41

1911 Austin was still single and visiting his sister Mary Lyons

Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
>>>>Carroll Mary Ann Newcastle L. 6b 147
Cartwright Horace Newcastle L. 6b 147
Crewe Betsy Newcastle L. 6b 147
>>>>Lyons Luke Newcastle L. 6b 147



Name Relation Condition /
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
LYONS, Luke Head Married17 years M 38 1873 Clogger Staffs Newcastle VIEW
LYONS, Mary Ann Wife Married17 years F 34 1877 Staffs Newcastle VIEW
LYONS, Mary Daughter Single F 15 1896 Domestic Servant Staffs Newcastle VIEW
LYONS, Margaret Daughter F 10 1901 School Staffs Newcastle VIEW
LYONS, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1905 School Staffs Newcastle VIEW
LYONS, Kathleen Daughter F 3 1908 Staffs Newcastle VIEW
CARROLL, Austin Visitor Single M 22 1889 Farmers Labourer Staff Newcastle VIEW


Address: 7 Pool Dam Newcastle Staffordshire County: Staffordshire

I'll let Clive know that he has replies to his query.... :-)

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1308214?d=asc

(think above relates)

Chris :)

Using http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/
Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARROLL John GILL Margaret Civil Marriage (Newcastle-Under-Lyme) Newcastle-Under-Lyme R/6/131

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARROLL Mary A LYONS Luke Civil Marriage (Newcastle-Under-Lyme) Newcastle-Under-Lyme R/14/130

message from Clive

The John Patrick Carroll I am researching married Margaret Gill..I was
trying to trace him Ireland.He gave his birth place as Westport in Ireland.
I have been in contact with 3 genealogy societies in Ireland without
success.


Clive - always best to respond on here for everyone to see :-)

Does the name 'John Patrick Carroll' appear in any of these records, or is it always 'John Carroll'?

Have you got the marriage certificate?

Thanks

Clive - you have to respond on here - if you scroll to the bottom of the page you will see a reply box - use it as I have just done :-)

Alternatively, right at the top above your heading you will see "Add Reply" - click on that and it will open a reply box - add your comment and then click on "submit"

Also, Clive, all the info given in this thread is on the thread posted by ChrisHo - it would have been better to have added your new request to that thread rather than have people spend time finding what has already been posted!