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My great great grandfather Karl Reiner came over to UK from Germany around 1835 and was appointed as a tutor to one of Queen Victioria's children. However the only person he ever told about his origins was Queen Victoria herself. Does anyone have experience of tracing ancestors in Germany and what resources are available?

Have you tried googling?

Have you looked at..............

https://familysearch.org/

No record of him on any UK census - or on freebmd

How did you work back to him?

And, if you know that he came from Germany, he must have told someone other than the Queen

A 1851 census

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born
WELDRAKE, Carl Head Unmarried M 23 1828 Sugar Baker Journeyman
Germany
FANBELL, Carl Lodger Unmarried M 30 1821 Sugar Baker Journeyman Germany
STAYTZ, Ferdinand Lodger Unmarried M 19 1832 Sugar Baker Journeyman Germany
FARIENCH, David Lodger Unmarried M 28 1823 Sugar Baker Journeyman Germany
MICHAELS, Joseph Lodger Unmarried M 20 1831 Sugar Baker Journeyman Prussia
>>>>>RAINER, Carl Lodger Unmarried M 23 1828 Sugar Baker Journeyman Prussia
FITGEN, Herman K Lodger Unmarried M 24 1827 Sugar Baker Journeyman Hanover
DIETGER, Frederick Lodger Unmarried M 24 1827 Sugar Baker Journeyman Hanover
Piece: 1547 Folio: 62 Page: 46 Registration District: Saint George in the East Civil Parish: Saint George Middlesex Municipal Borough: The Tower Hamlets Address: 2, Denmark Street, Saint George Middlesex, The Tower Hamlets County: Middlesex refine search back to 1851 census search results1851 address search

Mavis

how about this one?

Name: Chas F Reiner
Age (Original): 76
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1805
Birthplace: Germany
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Retired Professor Of Mathematics
Address: 21 Fellows Rd
Event Place: Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341038
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 175 / 26
Page Number: 47
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Chas F Reiner M 76 Germany
Wife Sarah E Reiner F 66 London, London, Middlesex, England
Son Chas Reiner M 48 Cheam, Surrey, England
Daughter Sar E Reiner F 46 Cheam, Surrey, England
Daughter Emma H Reiner F 44 Cheam, Surrey, England
Daughter Mary L Reiner F 42 Cheam, Surrey, England
Daughter Ellen E Reiner F 36 Cheam, Surrey, England
Servant Esther Matthews F 19 Wephestead, Suffolk, England
Servant Sarah A Hart F 22 Wales

Thanks for all your feedback which very helpful. I had traced him in UK first in Cheam where he taught at Cheam School and then to London and I also have his descendants. However it is his German ancestry that I am wondering how to trace.

Advice about that given above at 10:52

When and where did he marry?

This looks like the marriage of the couple above.

Name: Charles Frederick Reiner
Spouse's Name: Sarah Elizabeth Wickes
Event Date: 10 Oct 1830
Event Place: Thames Ditton,Surrey,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04059-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 808495, 808496
Reference ID:

Born in Baden according to the 1851 census.

Charles Frederick Reiner is shown as marrying Sarah Elizabeth Wickes, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 on Ancestry, i'm sorry I cannot check whether it is the right one as I do not have a sub, but if someone will take a look it may give father's name.


Name: Charles Frederick Reiner
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Sarah Elizabeth Wickes
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 10 Oct 1830
Event Place: Thames Ditton,Surrey,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04059-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 808495, 808496
( this from Familysearch)

If the father's name had been recorded, one would expect it to have been transcribed

1851 census


Person: REINER, Charles T Address: 9, Cloudesley Square, Islington, Finsbury

REINER, Charles T Head Married M 46 1805 Professor Of Mathyematices
Baden, Bris Sibj VIEW
REINER, Sarah E Wife F 36 1815
London, Middlesex VIEW
REINER, Charles Son M 18 1833 Clk To Colonial Broker
Cheam, Surrey VIEW
REINER, Sarah E Daughter F 16 1835 Scholar At Home
Cheam, Surrey VIEW
REINER, Emma H Daughter F 14 1837 Scholar
Cheam, Surrey VIEW
REINER, Mary L Daughter F 13 1838 Scholar
Cheam, Surrey VIEW
REINER, William Son M 11 1840 Scholar
Cheam, Surrey VIEW
REINER, Ellen E Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar At Home
Cheam, Surrey VIEW
HOLGATE, Isabella Servant Unmarried F 22 1829 Ho Serv
Enfield, Middlesex

Note birthplace INFO

From familysearch.....suggestion ONLY


Name: Friedrich Carl Reiner
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Oct 1804
Christening Place: Mannheim A Mannheim, Baden, Germany
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Friedrich Reiner
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Josephe Caroline Priese
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C92143-6
System Origin: Germany-ODM
GS Film number: 1192144

Marriage is too early for father's name to included: witnesses were James Mitchell & Eliza Butcher.

Just in case you don't have this:

1841 England Census
Name:Charles Frederick Runer
Age:35
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1806
Where born:Foreign Parts
Civil Parish:Cheam
Street Address: Rectory House
Occupation: Teacher

Charles Frederick Runer 35
Sarah Elizabeth Runer 25
Charles Runer 8
Sarah Elizabeth Runer 6
Emma Henrietta Runer 4
Mary Louisa Runer 3
William Runer

Thanks for the input everyone :-)

Reggie's suggestion looks good:

from the National Archives:
Naturalisation Papers: Reiner, Charles Frederick, from Mannheim. Certificate 1247 issued 13 January 1851.
Home Office: Denization and Naturalisation Papers and Correspondence. Denizations and Naturalizations. Content: Naturalisation Papers: Reiner, Charles Frederick, from Mannheim. Certificate 1247 issued 13 January 1851.
Collection:Records created or inherited by the Home Office, Ministry of Home Security, and related bodiesDate range: 1845 Reference:HO 1/36/1247Subjects:Nationality

Maureen

Just a note from rootsweb: Message Boards.

There is a message for the Reiner family - although it goes back to 2006 - lists below some names: It is connected through Central Europe - Germany, etc.

Here is a brief of the names selected: There are some recommendations. I am not sure if this is where you wish to go back to as you have the British connection, but this may just help.

Re: Reiner or Reiners or Reinert

Posted: 18 Aug 2006 4:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Reiner, Reiners, Reinert

in Germany you lease a grave for 20 or 25 or 30 years (it varies from place to place), there are almost never really old graves.

You better have a look at emigrant lists such as
http://www.la-bw.de/auswanderer

Maria Reiner 1817 Nordamerika Breitnau
Franz Reiner 1854 Nordamerika Deilingen
Konrad Reiner 1851 Nordamerika Ellwangen (Jagst)
Georg Reiner 1852 Nordamerika Forbach
Hans Jörg Reiner 1852 Nordamerika Forbach
Johannes Reiner 1855 Nordamerika Gomadingen
Eduard Reiner 1869 Nordamerika Gütenbach
Jakob Reiner 1958 unbekannt Karlsruhe
Wilhelm Reiner 1912 unbekannt Karlsruhe
Christian David Reiner 1852 Nordamerika Neuenstadt am Kocher
Johann David Reiner 1852 Nordamerika Neuenstadt am Kocher
Karoline Louise Reiner 1856 Nordamerika Neuenstadt am Kocher
Gottfried Reiner 1862 Russland, Zentralasien, Sibirien Mundelsheim
Friedrich Reiner 1862 Russland, Zentralasien, Sibirien Mundelsheim
Ludwig Heinrich Reiner 1864 v. Nordamerika Mundelsheim
Johann Gottfried Reiner 1877 Australien und Pazifik Mundelsheim
Pauline Luise Reiner 1880 Nordamerika Mundelsheim
Johann Jakob Reiner 1864 Westeuropa Mundelsheim
Johann Jakob Reiner 1864 Westeuropa Mundelsheim
Jakob Reiner 1862 Russland, Zentralasien, Sibirien Mundelsheim
Jakob Reiner 1862 Westeuropa Mundelsheim
Johann Reiner 1877 Westeuropa Neuenburg am Rhein
Johann Reiner 1877 unbekannt Neuenburg am Rhein
Christian Reiner 1854 Nordamerika Schwaigern
Johann Heinrich Reiner 1854 Nordamerika Schwaigern
Ernst Otto Reiner 1906 Westeuropa St. Peter
Karl Reiner 1869 Westeuropa Triberg im Schwarzwald
Josef Reinert 1830 unbekannt Biberach
Christian Reinert 1853 Nordamerika Geislingen an der Steige

There are also some 400 Reiner/Reiners/Reinert in
http://gedbas.genealogy.net/

For example
Johannes Reiner
geboren: 25 FEB 1800 Schwaigern
gestorben: 4 APR 1800 Schwaigern
Eltern (parents)
Paul REINER, * 14 MAY 1761 Christina DERN, * 25 JUL 1768

Only seing one Karl Reiner, but it's worth a try.

Good luck

Sappho