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Seem to be going round in circles here !!!
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Margaret | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:00 |
I have a Frederick Vale Perkins b. 1828 Birmingham. On 1841 census his parents are given as Thomas 1806 and Sarah 1806 where Frederick appears as an only child aged 12. On 1851 census Thomas is still shown as having wife Sarah, Frederick is a student at Spring Hill College aged 22. Get to 1861 and no success with either. There is another Thomas Perkins born in the Leamington (1802-ish) area who marries an Eliza Jordan but my Perkins hailed from Birmingham. Any ideas how I can trace Thomas. Frederick himself re-appears later as a married man so I am not too concerned about him. Any suggestions welcome. |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:06 |
just for reference |
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PricklyHolly | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:10 |
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ErikaH | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:12 |
1841 census does NOT record relationships, and in later years, relationships are as to the HEAD of the household. |
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rootgatherer | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:15 |
1841 - for info. |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:18 |
London Family History Centre > Film Catalogue > England ... |
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Margaret | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:22 |
Reggie - I do not have exact location only Warwickshire which included both Birmingham and Leamington. What makes me puzzled about this is Frederick appearing - up to now - as an only child. My only thought is that he is possibly the youngest and that the 'marriage' to Elizabeth took place years before and she had died and Thomas re-married. Unfortunately I have not been able to prove this theory as yet. |
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PricklyHolly | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:33 |
Is this the 1851 census you are referring to... |
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Margaret | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:36 |
Yes that is the 1851 census I was looking at. The 1841 also lists Thomas with wife Sarah. This is looking bleak. I think I will have to accept that I am not going to discover Thomas' father and/or mother in order to get further back. Thanks to everyone for trying to help. |
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ErikaH | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:43 |
The baptism info - posted above - shows the mother's name to have been ELIZABETH |
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ErikaH | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:47 |
..................and 1841 does not indicate that Sarah was married to Thomas......merely that she was living in the same household |
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rootgatherer | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:51 |
Margaret, did Frederick give an occupation for his father when he married in 1865 please? Did he say if his father was deceased? |
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Margaret | Report | 14 Jan 2014 11:55 |
Yes Reggie I am aware that Elizabeth is shown as Frederick Vale Perkins mother and am quite happy about that. However Sarah is shown as 'wife' on 1851 census which was rather confusing - perhaps she was a second wife after the demise of Elizabeth. This is no longer of too much importance as the sole object was to try and discover the parentage of Thomas which looks hopeless now. However, I am accepting of that and will draw a line under this section of the tree. Thank you for your input. |
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rootgatherer | Report | 14 Jan 2014 12:00 |
Margaret, I am not too sure that we can be sure that is the same Thomas and Sarah in 1841 and 1851 (I am not saying that they aren't though). It is just the different occupation for Thomas that is casting a little doubt for me. |
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Margaret | Report | 14 Jan 2014 12:13 |
Rootgatherer - I have just found a death for an Elizabeth Perkins in 1839 - two years before the 1841 census where Frederick is shown age 12 with a Thomas and Sarah. However, I am satisfied that Frederick's mother was Elizabeth and father Thomas and will leave it at that. Thank you so much for trying to help. |
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ErikaH | Report | 14 Jan 2014 12:15 |
How certain are you that the child found in 1841 is the man who married in Cumberland in 1865? |
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ErikaH | Report | 14 Jan 2014 12:16 |
Have you looked for a marriage for Thomas to Sarah? |
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Margaret | Report | 14 Jan 2014 12:26 |
No I am not bothering to pursue the Sarah link as I am satisfied that Frederick's mother was Elizabeth. As for being certain of the marriage in 1865 to Mary Ann Fearon, this couple went on to have a daughter who in turn had a son and included 'Fearon' amongst his three christian names. Hence the link. ~Thanks for your help. |
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ErikaH | Report | 14 Jan 2014 12:26 |
I can't see the 1861 to which you refer....... please can you post it for info? |
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ErikaH | Report | 14 Jan 2014 12:27 |
So, you think Elizabeth may have died in 1839, but aren't looking for info about a marriage to Sarah....................the cert for which would name the man's FATHER |