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Sorry Lianne, not really sure about Emma.

http://www.ancestor-search.info/cro-staffordshire.htm

(have a look on link above, posted earlier, perhaps admissions to Workhouse could be looked at if they have them)

Chris :)

Thank you Chris.
I have the details for the Lambourne's already as shown above, have found it fairly easy to find them as they move from Wiltshire to Walsall where daughter Elizabeth seems to meet Charles.....

Can you help with establishing Emma's early years?
Who her parents are?
Where she came from?
If that is actually her in the workhouse in 1861 in Walsall? Why she is there alone?

Many thanks for all your help so far :-D

(1911 says 10 children born, 7 living, 3 died)

Births Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Walker Charles Osmond St. Saviour 1d 187

Name:
Charles Osmund Walker
Baptism Date:
30 Jun 1897 (Born
Father's Name:
Charles Alfred Walker (Potman)
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth Walker
Parish or Poor Law Union:
Southwark St Michael and All Angels
Borough:
Southwark
Register Type:
Parish Registers
(60, Holly Oak Road, Newington Butts)

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Charles Osmond Walker
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1897
Age at Enlistment:
17
Birth Parish:
Stoke Newington
Birth County:
Middlesex
Document Year:
1914
Regimental Number:
7015
Regiment Name:
4th Battalion East Surrey Regiment
(next of kin, Father, Charles Walker, Mother, Elizabeth, also down, Mabel, Herbert, address, 40, Lindrop St.)


Have you checked in 'Search All Members Trees' (top right of page, under 'Search') to see if any names are there?, or perhaps get Mabel Birth Cert. as suggested earlier.

Chris :)

1881 (Elizabeth)
LAMBOURNE, John Head Married M 31 1850 Grocers Porter
Aldbourne, Wiltshire
LAMBOURNE, Rose H Wife Married F 30 1851
Wanborough, Wiltshire
LAMBOURNE, Elizabeth A Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Aldbourne, Wiltshire
LAMBOURNE, William G Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, Ivan Son Single M 3 1878 Scholar
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, Albert Ed Son Single M 1 1880
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, William T Nephew Single M 15 1866 Errand Boy
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2822
Folio: 14
Page: 22
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall Borough
Municipal Borough:
Address: 60, George St, Walsall Borough
County: Staffordshire

1891
LAMBOURNE, John Head Married M 41 1850 Grocers Porter
Aldbourne, Wiltshire
LAMBOURNE, Rose H Wife Married F 41 1850
Wanborough, Wiltshire
LAMBOURNE, Elizabeth A Daughter Single F 18 1873 Tailoress
Aldbourne, Wiltshire
LAMBOURNE, William G Son Single M 16 1875 Horse Collar Maker
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, John Son M 13 1878 Errand Boy
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, Albert E Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, Walter Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, Fanny Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, Ross Daughter F 0 (UNDER4M) 1891
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2254
Folio: 140
Page: 40
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: 33, Bath Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

1901
LAMBOURNE, John Head Married M 52 1849 Grocer's Porter
Aldbourne, Wiltshire
LAMBOURNE, Rose Wife Married F 50 1851
Wanborough, Wiltshire
LAMBOURNE, Albert E Son Single M 21 1880 Grocer's Porter
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, Walter Son Single M 19 1882 Butcher
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, Fanny Daughter Single F 15 1886 Purse Maker
Walsall, Staffordshire
LAMBOURNE, Rose Daughter Single F 10 1891
Walsall, Staffordshire
PALMER, William Lodger Single M 23 1878 Harness Maker
Aldbourne, Wiltshire
Piece: 2701
Folio: 160
Page: 13
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall
Municipal Borough:
Address: 22, Hart Street, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

Have been checking out my documents...
Reg Walker (My Grandfather) birth cert says Father Charles Alfred Walker & Mother Elizabeth A Walker formerly Lambourne 10/4/1909 so that matches but the stange thing is that Charles married Elizabeth on 2/2/1916

They had most of their children before they actually got married!!! Naughty

Noted that Constance Mabel (First Child) was born in Walsall but their second child was born in London, so it could be that their family was not best pleased about them having a baby and they decided to move away and just never got around to getting married.

They married on 2/2/1916 and had a baby July 1916 ish

I wonder why at this point they decided to actually get married, had the law changed with registering births??

:-S

Perhaps I've lost the plot!, was following above Charles...

Have you got address from Marriage Cert., or his Death Cert.?

(or know where he is 1911)

Chris :)

Why do you think his marriage to Elizabeth is his second marriage?
Because his is 42 and she is 43? odd indeed....
but it's states he is a bachelor and Elizabeth a spinster.
Are you or anyone able to advise on this???

:-D

(moving on from 1901 above, so Charles 1916 Marriage was a second one?, wasn't sure if you have found Charles on Census)

1911
WALKER, Charles Head Married M 38 1873 Stationary Engineman London Kings X
WALKER, Elizabeth Wife Married19 years F 38 1873 Oldbourne Willshire
WALKER, Mabel Daughter Single F 16 1895 Dressmaker Staffordshire Walsall
WALKER, Charles Son M 14 1897 Errand Boy London Southwaek
WALKER, Herbert Son M 12 1899 School London Westminster
WALKER, Gladys Daughter F 9 1902 School London Westminster
WALKER, Stanley Son M 6 1905 School London Westminster
WALKER, Geoffrey Son M 4 1907 London Westminster
WALKER, Reginald Son M 2 1909 London Westminster
RG number: RG14
Piece: 369
Reference: RG14PN369 RG78PN11 RD3 SD5 ED32 SN110
Registration District: Fulham
Sub District: South Fulham
Enumeration District: 32
Parish: Fulham
Address: 40 Lindrop Street Fulham SW
County: London


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Charles Alfred Walker
Year:
1936
County or Borough:
Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency:
Fulham East and West
Street Address:
40 Lindrop Street
(also, Elizabeth Anne)


Burial Register
WALKER
CHARLES ALFRED
Burial date
27 Sep 1940
Brompton Cemetery
Location
Brompton Cemetery (Kensington and Chelsea)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Chris :)

1871 (Reference, Find My Past)
BROCK, William Head M 58 1813 Kent (Tobacco Pipe Maker)
BROCK, Mary Wife F 50 1821 Middlesex
WALKER, Emma Servant F 21 1850 Staffordshire (assistant to above)
Piece: 263
Folio: 83
Page: 61
Registration District: Islington
Civil Parish: Islington
Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: Bingfield St, Islington, Finsbury
County: London, Middlesex

1881
BROCK, William Head Married M 68 1813 Shop Keeper (Dress)?
Chatham, Kent
Piece: 234
Folio: 108
Page: 49
Registration District: Islington
Civil Parish: Islington
Municipal Borough:
Address: 52, Freeling St, Islington
County: London, Middlesex

http://www.ancestor-search.info/cro-staffordshire.htm
(above might be useful)

Chris
Here you say:
1891 (if him)
RUSSELL, Elizabeth Head Widow F 71 1820
Walsall, Staffordshire
RUSSELL, Henry Son Single M 35 1856 Iron Cutter
Walsall, Staffordshire
RUSSELL, George Son Single M 28 1863 Brown Saddler
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Charles Lodger Single M 18 1873 Tube Worker
St Johns, London
Piece: 2251
Folio: 30
Page: 55
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: 94, Wolverhampton Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

This does look likely to be him as I've checked his marriage cert and his profession is noted as Stationway Engine Driver (I think) in 1916 - 25 years later than above, so this looks connected.... do you think??

Chris
You posted this:
1851
WALKER, William Head Married M 31 1820 Journeyman Locksmith
Lanehead, Staffordshire
WALKER, Emma Wife Married F 22 1829
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Mary Ann Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Emily Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1851
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2023
Folio: 84
Page: 6
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address: Barley Field
County: Staffordshire

I also looked at this yesterday and the birth date of Emily fits well with Emma's DOB & Location. Name is an issue though!

Hi
Thanks you so much for all the pointers, I'm slowly going over everything...
I do not have Constance Mabel Walker's Birth Certificate but the above into is what I have listed in the tree on Ancestry.

I have looked at some info that a relative gave me and she that Charles (Emma's Son) was living as a lodger with a family in the 1881 census as Emma had died.

She also said she saw her working in a shop is Islington on the 1871 census

Her birth,

Name: Constance Mabel Walker
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1895
Registration District: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 814

Do you have Mabel's birth certificate? Just thinking that if she was born in Walsall the address on the cert may help?

1901 England Census about Mabel Walker
Name: Mabel Walker
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Charles Walker
Mother: Elizabeth Walker
Birth Place: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: St John the Evangelist Westminster and St Margaret
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Walker 28
Elizabeth Walker 28
Mabel Walker 6
Charles Walker 4
Herbert Walker 2

If Chris is correct with the 1891 census then this is possibly a charles with them too,

1881 England Census about Charles Walker
Name: Charles Walker
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 94 W'hampton St
Marital Status: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Walsall
Sub-registration District: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2824
Folio: 41
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
James Russell 69
Elizabeth Russell 61
Thomas Russell 27
Henry Russell 25
Frances Ann Russell 22
George Russell 18
Samuel Poxton 58
Charles Walker 8

1851
WALKER, William Head Married M 31 1820 Journeyman Locksmith
Lanehead, Staffordshire
WALKER, Emma Wife Married F 22 1829
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Mary Ann Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Emily Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1851
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2023
Folio: 84
Page: 6
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address: Barley Field
County: Staffordshire

1861
WALKER, Emma Inmate F 11 1850
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2017
Folio: 127
Page: 4
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Foreign of Walsall
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: Foreign Of Walsall, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

1861
PERRY, George Head Married M 34 1827 Gig Bitt Filer
Birmingham, Warwickshire
PERRY, Emmeli Wife Married F 31 1830
Birmingham, Warwickshire
WALKER, Mary A Servant Unmarried F 16 1845 General Servant
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2011
Folio: 72
Page: 43
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: Walsall Road, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

1871
ADAMS, Thomas Head M 36 1835 Staffordshire (Farmer 80 acres employing 1 man)
ADAMS, Maria G Wife F 33 1838 Wales
ADAMS, John Brother M 34 1837 Staffordshire
WALKER, Mary A Cousin F 26 1845 Staffordshire (General Servant)
Piece: 2958
Folio: 34
Page: 17
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: Walsall Road, Walsall Foreign, Walsall
County: Staffordshire


Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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Adams Thomas Walsall 6b 739
Morris Maria Goodwin Walsall 6b 739


1891 (if him)
RUSSELL, Elizabeth Head Widow F 71 1820
Walsall, Staffordshire
RUSSELL, Henry Son Single M 35 1856 Iron Cutter
Walsall, Staffordshire
RUSSELL, George Son Single M 28 1863 Brown Saddler
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Charles Lodger Single M 18 1873 Tube Worker
St Johns, London
Piece: 2251
Folio: 30
Page: 55
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: 94, Wolverhampton Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

(are these relating, looks to be same area?)

Chris :)

Where was he on the 1891 census?

Thanks

Added:
Does it specify she was 29 at death because if born 10/6/1850 and dies 19/3/1879 she would only be 28. Are you sure it is the same person?

The David Waller in the 1881 census was born in East Horley (?), Surrey, whilst Emma was born in Walsall.....
They could be siblings - try and find them together on a census.
But I think his surname really is Waller.

Added:
Could be this marriage as Waller
Marriages Sep 1860
Farnfield James Guildford 2a 59
Humphrey Ann Guildford 2a 59
Humphrey Anne Guildford 2a 59
xxxxLANSDELL Jane Guildford 2a 59
xxxWaller David Guildford 2a 59

So a different family...

Mike if Charles at age 7 is living with Uncle and he's father is not known, then David Waller or I think that must be Walker would be Emma's Brother. If so how could I confirm this?

Hi Sylvia
This is what I have, I have so far assumed Born 10/6/1850 Walsall,
Workhouse at 11 on 1861 census
Servant in London (Tobaco something assist.?) on 1871 census
Gets pregnant, has Charles in 1873
Leaves Charles in London??
Goes home to Walsall
Dies in 19/3/1879 Walsall Newhall Street
I'm just not 100%

Hi Mike, I saw that census showing a Charles with a David & Jane and that could be a possibility, I'm not sure though as that said he was born in Kennington and I'm not sure that's near Islington?

My tree is on Ancestry, more up to date than on here.. it's lianne 526 and I've posted the certificates I have... I've really lost my way a bit.

Defo Charles Affred Walker as you can see on certificate.
Charles marries Elizabeth Ann Lambourne in Fulham so it seems Charles stays south and it looks like his Mother Emma goes to Walsall (if that is her
:-S)

Could this be Emma in Islington in 1871
Emma Walker

Age:
21

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1850

Relation:
Servant

Gender:
Female

Where born:
Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish:
Islington St Michael

Ecclesiastical parish:
St Michael

County/Island:
London

Country:
England

Registration District:
Islington

Sub-registration District:
Islington West

ED, institution, or vessel:
37

Household Schedule Number:
381

Piece:
263

Folio:
83

Page Number:
61

Household Members:

Name

Age

William Brock 58
Mary Brock 50
Emma Walker.