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Help required with Charles Alfred Walker Born 3/3/1873 Gifford St? Islington West Middlesex.
Mother Emma Walker Ladies Crineline Maker
Father - NOT NAMED
I am happy with the info I have as to Charles later life but am finding it hard to establish more info on Emma.
Death Cert shows Emma died at 29 (19/3/1879) A Bridle Stitcher in Walsall.
Did she give Charles away maybe??
Ive ordered a birth cert: Emma Walker 10/6/1850 which fits, Born Walsall to Emma Hammersley & William Walker Cabinet Lockmaker but how can I be sure that this is the for the correct Emma??
I can also see a Emma Walker in a Workhouse in the 1861 census age 11 but she seems alone, is it possible to get any further information on this from anywhere to establish if she is the right Emma and why she might be there??
Hope someone can help me :-)

Is this him living with his uncle in 1881 ?

Charles Walker
Age:7
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1874
Relationship to Head:Nephew
Where born:Kennington, Surrey, England

Civil Parish:Lambeth
County/Island:London

Street Address:76 Church St
David Waller 43
Jane Waller 41
Charles Walker 7

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Name: Charles J Walker
Age (Original): 8
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1873
Birthplace: Islington, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Scholar
Address: (York Rd) 4 Pleasant Buildings
Event Place: Islington, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341052
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 238 / 112
Page Number: 49
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head William Walker M 35 Eastor, Northamptonshire, England
Wife Emma Walker F 42 Woodham, Essex, England
Son Willie A Walker M 10 Islington, Middlesex, England
Son Charles J Walker M 8 Islington, Middlesex, England
Son Ernest G Walker M 2 Islington, Middlesex, England

A big difference between a Bridle stitcher and a Crineline Maker I would think
(unless that should be Bridal )

Name: Charles Walker
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Birthplace: Islington, Middlesex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Islington
Sub-District: Islington South East
Parish: Islington
County: London

Ann
It's Charles Alfred not Charles J

Is this your tree on Ancestry showing photo of Charles' Birth certificate ?


Name:
Charles Alfred Walker

Birth: 03 March 1873 (3 Mar 1873) - London, England
Death: 19 Sept 1940 (19 Sep 1940)
Marriage: 02 February 1916 (2 Feb 1916) - Fulham, London
Parents: Emma Walker
Spouse: Elizabeth Ann Lambourne

Could this be Emma in Islington in 1871
Emma Walker

Age:
21

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1850

Relation:
Servant

Gender:
Female

Where born:
Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish:
Islington St Michael

Ecclesiastical parish:
St Michael

County/Island:
London

Country:
England

Registration District:
Islington

Sub-registration District:
Islington West

ED, institution, or vessel:
37

Household Schedule Number:
381

Piece:
263

Folio:
83

Page Number:
61

Household Members:

Name

Age

William Brock 58
Mary Brock 50
Emma Walker.

Hi Mike, I saw that census showing a Charles with a David & Jane and that could be a possibility, I'm not sure though as that said he was born in Kennington and I'm not sure that's near Islington?

My tree is on Ancestry, more up to date than on here.. it's lianne 526 and I've posted the certificates I have... I've really lost my way a bit.

Defo Charles Affred Walker as you can see on certificate.
Charles marries Elizabeth Ann Lambourne in Fulham so it seems Charles stays south and it looks like his Mother Emma goes to Walsall (if that is her
:-S)

Hi Sylvia
This is what I have, I have so far assumed Born 10/6/1850 Walsall,
Workhouse at 11 on 1861 census
Servant in London (Tobaco something assist.?) on 1871 census
Gets pregnant, has Charles in 1873
Leaves Charles in London??
Goes home to Walsall
Dies in 19/3/1879 Walsall Newhall Street
I'm just not 100%

Mike if Charles at age 7 is living with Uncle and he's father is not known, then David Waller or I think that must be Walker would be Emma's Brother. If so how could I confirm this?

The David Waller in the 1881 census was born in East Horley (?), Surrey, whilst Emma was born in Walsall.....
They could be siblings - try and find them together on a census.
But I think his surname really is Waller.

Added:
Could be this marriage as Waller
Marriages Sep 1860
Farnfield James Guildford 2a 59
Humphrey Ann Guildford 2a 59
Humphrey Anne Guildford 2a 59
xxxxLANSDELL Jane Guildford 2a 59
xxxWaller David Guildford 2a 59

So a different family...

Where was he on the 1891 census?

Thanks

Added:
Does it specify she was 29 at death because if born 10/6/1850 and dies 19/3/1879 she would only be 28. Are you sure it is the same person?

1851
WALKER, William Head Married M 31 1820 Journeyman Locksmith
Lanehead, Staffordshire
WALKER, Emma Wife Married F 22 1829
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Mary Ann Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Emily Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1851
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2023
Folio: 84
Page: 6
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address: Barley Field
County: Staffordshire

1861
WALKER, Emma Inmate F 11 1850
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2017
Folio: 127
Page: 4
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Foreign of Walsall
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: Foreign Of Walsall, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

1861
PERRY, George Head Married M 34 1827 Gig Bitt Filer
Birmingham, Warwickshire
PERRY, Emmeli Wife Married F 31 1830
Birmingham, Warwickshire
WALKER, Mary A Servant Unmarried F 16 1845 General Servant
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2011
Folio: 72
Page: 43
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: Walsall Road, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

1871
ADAMS, Thomas Head M 36 1835 Staffordshire (Farmer 80 acres employing 1 man)
ADAMS, Maria G Wife F 33 1838 Wales
ADAMS, John Brother M 34 1837 Staffordshire
WALKER, Mary A Cousin F 26 1845 Staffordshire (General Servant)
Piece: 2958
Folio: 34
Page: 17
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: Walsall Road, Walsall Foreign, Walsall
County: Staffordshire


Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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Adams Thomas Walsall 6b 739
Morris Maria Goodwin Walsall 6b 739


1891 (if him)
RUSSELL, Elizabeth Head Widow F 71 1820
Walsall, Staffordshire
RUSSELL, Henry Son Single M 35 1856 Iron Cutter
Walsall, Staffordshire
RUSSELL, George Son Single M 28 1863 Brown Saddler
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Charles Lodger Single M 18 1873 Tube Worker
St Johns, London
Piece: 2251
Folio: 30
Page: 55
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: 94, Wolverhampton Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

(are these relating, looks to be same area?)

Chris :)

If Chris is correct with the 1891 census then this is possibly a charles with them too,

1881 England Census about Charles Walker
Name: Charles Walker
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 94 W'hampton St
Marital Status: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Walsall
Sub-registration District: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2824
Folio: 41
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
James Russell 69
Elizabeth Russell 61
Thomas Russell 27
Henry Russell 25
Frances Ann Russell 22
George Russell 18
Samuel Poxton 58
Charles Walker 8

Do you have Mabel's birth certificate? Just thinking that if she was born in Walsall the address on the cert may help?

1901 England Census about Mabel Walker
Name: Mabel Walker
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Charles Walker
Mother: Elizabeth Walker
Birth Place: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: St John the Evangelist Westminster and St Margaret
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Walker 28
Elizabeth Walker 28
Mabel Walker 6
Charles Walker 4
Herbert Walker 2

Her birth,

Name: Constance Mabel Walker
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1895
Registration District: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 814

Hi
Thanks you so much for all the pointers, I'm slowly going over everything...
I do not have Constance Mabel Walker's Birth Certificate but the above into is what I have listed in the tree on Ancestry.

I have looked at some info that a relative gave me and she that Charles (Emma's Son) was living as a lodger with a family in the 1881 census as Emma had died.

She also said she saw her working in a shop is Islington on the 1871 census

Chris
You posted this:
1851
WALKER, William Head Married M 31 1820 Journeyman Locksmith
Lanehead, Staffordshire
WALKER, Emma Wife Married F 22 1829
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Mary Ann Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Emily Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1851
Walsall, Staffordshire
Piece: 2023
Folio: 84
Page: 6
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address: Barley Field
County: Staffordshire

I also looked at this yesterday and the birth date of Emily fits well with Emma's DOB & Location. Name is an issue though!

Chris
Here you say:
1891 (if him)
RUSSELL, Elizabeth Head Widow F 71 1820
Walsall, Staffordshire
RUSSELL, Henry Son Single M 35 1856 Iron Cutter
Walsall, Staffordshire
RUSSELL, George Son Single M 28 1863 Brown Saddler
Walsall, Staffordshire
WALKER, Charles Lodger Single M 18 1873 Tube Worker
St Johns, London
Piece: 2251
Folio: 30
Page: 55
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: 94, Wolverhampton Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

This does look likely to be him as I've checked his marriage cert and his profession is noted as Stationway Engine Driver (I think) in 1916 - 25 years later than above, so this looks connected.... do you think??